blackbelt1961
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TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Yeah, he always seemed shady. I'm not surprised. He was all about money and "fame". Avanetti, Cohen, and Scaramucci all seemed like peas in a pod to me regardless of political affiliation. He's not a politician he was a lawyer for Stormy Daniels and she fired him (by the way we don't know her political leanings or his, they could be Republicans - but Trump did cheat on Melania and pay off Stormy. Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about less, and the Repugs were all over it. What kind of "family values" did Trump display?)
They all have similar personality types. Narcissistic ones. The Mooch isn't a lawyer though and he could be the most honest of the bunch.
They all have similar personality types. Narcissistic ones. The Mooch isn't a lawyer though and he could be the most honest of the bunch.
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Trump is horrendous. The whole Trump s**t-show is horrendous. Who cares about another shady lawyer? (Not surprised that a shady lawyer was hired to go up against Trump's shady lawyers.)
Regardless, Trump is the one wrecking the world at large right now, like a bull in china shop, not them.
Regardless, Trump is the one wrecking the world at large right now, like a bull in china shop, not them.
Trump is a sexist, bigoted, racist, white nationalist supporter - which means unless you are also a sexist, bigoted, racist white nationalist, there is no reason to support him. There's no priority one can morally put before that. That's why I have a hard time respecting Trump supporters. I know only a couple of them in real life and they are in denial - they picked their team and won't lose face. There is no issue more important to oppose right now, than that, though. That's the bottom line.
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chansen
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I think the fact that you're a fan of Shouty McSmugface says a lot about you, and only reinforces the fun I've had at your expense over the years.
While you're contemplating your YouTube subscriptions, remember that Avenatti was right about Donald Trump paying porn stars and playmates to stay quiet about having sex with Donald, sometimes while he had a new child at home. And of course, this is the man Christians elect to the office of President.
Michael Avenatti's recent legal problems reinforce why I've always cautioned against jumping on bandwagons for new politicians and other political figures. It's better to support the policies and to be careful about raising them up too quickly as leadership material.
Just like you're a fan of Shouty here, and that's going to follow you around for a long time.
I didn't even watch it. I saw the screenshot and said, "That guy? Pass." Just like when I see Shapiro or Rubin.
chansen
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It's important to watch a little bit at least, to see what blackbelt and others like him are exposed to. It's also unintentionally hilarious. But the concern is that there are people who like this, and that's a worrying thought. What's more, this sort of concentrated stupidity is spread through conservative channels that are largely run by and targeted to Christians.
This all ties into a massive Christian problem. Christians are surrounded by dumb Christians who like this stuff. And if you don't like these conservative, literal talking heads, you're not Christian enough.
Meanwhile, a lot of you think atheism is the real problem, but it's not generally atheists watching these clowns.
I've seen it because the show I like often points out the ridiculousness of the right wing youtubers (yes, Sam Seder and company, who are left wing - he's also an MSNBC contributor. He used to host his show with Janine Garafolo. Yes, they are further to the left than say, Hilary or Obama - more on the side of Sanders or Warren - but they give intelligent analysis of what's going on. Sometimes they just troll those guys and sometimes it's funnier than other times.)
Except Sam Harris. A lot of atheists like Sam Harris - and he's a racist pseudo intellectual. Or a racist who tries to use his credentials to back up his racism.
chansen
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*bangs head*
I'm sorry, I haven't followed Sam in a long while. What has he said or done now? Is it as simple as saying Islam is as insane as Christianity is? Because sometimes that's all it takes to be labelled an "Islamophobe". Or maybe he did say something stupid, but I've hardly been raising Sam up as some beacon of atheism.
Really, you go and "like" one of my posts that cautions against the sort of fanboi approach I've often cautioned you against taking, and now you're going to pivot from Shouty McSmugface to a popular atheist because, why? Because I'm pointing out the obvious that these conservative talking points are spreading through Christian channels? Could you not address that instead of veering away from it? Tell me I'm wrong if you want. I have no problem with you taking a position opposite mine, but why you would create one when we were on the same side for once is perplexing.
I'm sorry, I haven't followed Sam in a long while. What has he said or done now? Is it as simple as saying Islam is as insane as Christianity is? Because sometimes that's all it takes to be labelled an "Islamophobe". Or maybe he did say something stupid, but I've hardly been raising Sam up as some beacon of atheism.
Really, you go and "like" one of my posts that cautions against the sort of fanboi approach I've often cautioned you against taking, and now you're going to pivot from Shouty McSmugface to a popular atheist because, why? Because I'm pointing out the obvious that these conservative talking points are spreading through Christian channels? Could you not address that instead of veering away from it? Tell me I'm wrong if you want. I have no problem with you taking a position opposite mine, but why you would create one when we were on the same side for once is perplexing.
I never really trusted Stormy Daniels' judgment anyway. Because she had sex with a married guy (and she wasn't young and taken advantage of, she fully and independently chose to) and even worse - of all married guys, she had sex with Donald Trump! I never really thought she had the credibility to be the one to take down Trump. Not specifically because she was a porn star...Because she sold her story to the Enquirer etc. It was all shady.
Yeah, Avanetti proved the whole hush money thing - but that whole thing was shady from every angle anyway.
Yeah, Avanetti proved the whole hush money thing - but that whole thing was shady from every angle anyway.
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blackbelt1961
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Ritafee
Is Being Human
Who knew ....
Chelsea Manning has been incarcerated for more than two weeks, since March 8. The lack of media coverage of her case is important to note since her questioning is about Freedom of the Press in the 21st Century. She is being questioned in an effort by the government to prosecute the publisher of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, for reporting stories that show US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, violations of human rights at the Guantanamo Bay prison,and the corruption of US foreign policy by corporate power. Wikileaks has published documents concerning many countries as well as US political figures. The contempt ruling against Chelsea Manning should be covered by the media rather than ignored.
The US and corporate media is very willing to use human rights as a tool in foreign policy to attack countries that refuse to be dominated by the United States. They even publish false stories about human rights violations in those countries. But, when there is a clear human rights violation across the river from the nation’s capital, the media and elected politicians are silent. As the article below shows, Chelsea Manning’s human rights are being violated to force her to testify in secret in order to help the Trump administration curtail Freedom of the Press.
Manning should not only be freed from solitary confinement, she should be released from this malicious incarceration being used to coerce her to testify against Julian Assange and undermine Freedom of the Press.
xychelsea.is
Chelsea Manning has been incarcerated for more than two weeks, since March 8. The lack of media coverage of her case is important to note since her questioning is about Freedom of the Press in the 21st Century. She is being questioned in an effort by the government to prosecute the publisher of Wikileaks, Julian Assange, for reporting stories that show US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, violations of human rights at the Guantanamo Bay prison,and the corruption of US foreign policy by corporate power. Wikileaks has published documents concerning many countries as well as US political figures. The contempt ruling against Chelsea Manning should be covered by the media rather than ignored.
The US and corporate media is very willing to use human rights as a tool in foreign policy to attack countries that refuse to be dominated by the United States. They even publish false stories about human rights violations in those countries. But, when there is a clear human rights violation across the river from the nation’s capital, the media and elected politicians are silent. As the article below shows, Chelsea Manning’s human rights are being violated to force her to testify in secret in order to help the Trump administration curtail Freedom of the Press.
Manning should not only be freed from solitary confinement, she should be released from this malicious incarceration being used to coerce her to testify against Julian Assange and undermine Freedom of the Press.
Stop Holding Chelsea Manning In Solitary Confinement - Chelsea Resists
“We condemn the solitary confinement that Chelsea Manning has been subjected to during her incarceration” Alexandria, VA — The following is a statement from Chelsea Resists!, Chelsea Manning’s Support Committee: “We condemn the solitary confinement that Chelsea Manning has been subjected to...
xychelsea.is
They are spreading mostly through right wing Christian channels. You're correct. But then, the IDW guys like Rubin, Shapiro, Peterson...and Harris is among them - he is part of the IDW gang...two of them are Jewish, one of them is a bigoted psychology prof who says he prefers to act as though God exists - he's agnostic - and is embarking on a series of Bible lectures (though his fellowship was cancelled with Cambridge's faculty of theology, where he was going to start his lectures)...they are appealing to the far right, recruiting for them, by trying to cover all bases. That's what fascists do. Their common mythos is the supposed threat of "neomarxistfeminists" playing identity politics and threatening free (hate) speech... But there's no worse identity politics than nationalism, especially white nationalism. People like Peterson and Harris are gateway drugs to the harder stuff, also.
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Ritafee
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What do you imagine would happen if Trump was successfully removed from his starring 'role' in this ridiculous 'puppet' show of 'governance'?
I don't know. Some of his base are in a rabid froth. I still think he needs to be replaced. I would rather see him removed by elections than impeachment, I think. But there's a chance he would make s**t up so as not to concede to losing.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
"Won't Get Fooled Again" ?
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the last war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!
I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Oh I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by the bye
And a parting on the left
Is now a parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
But I don't believe that "has to be" the case. That's like saying George is the same as Pat Robertson.
Ritafee
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In the land of free speech ...
Hillary Clinton leaves a trail of blood and suffering around the world and a clear record of exploitation and greed in her own country.
Barack Obama, (like all American presidents), was also pro-war. He voted for George W. Bush's funding of the slaughter in Iraq. He was planning to escalate the invasion of Afghanistan. In the weeks before he took the presidential oath, he secretly approved an Israeli assault on Gaza, the massacre known as Operation Cast Lead. He promised to close the concentration camp at Guantanamo and did not. He pledged to help make the world "free from nuclear weapons" and did the opposite.
As a new kind of marketing manager for the status quo Obama was an inspired choice. Even at the end of his blood-spattered presidency, with his signature drones spreading infinitely more terror and death around the world than that ignited by jihadists in Paris and Brussels, Obama is fawned on as "cool" (the Guardian).
Trump is a media hate figure. That alone should arouse our scepticism. Trump's views on migration are grotesque but it is not Trump who is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton embodies the resilience and violence of a system that wants a first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies - just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president and voters swallowed his nonsense about "hope".
At the root is an enduring unsayable. the compulsion, of many voters in the United States to embrace a leader from within a system that is demonstrably imperial and violent. Like Obama's "hope", Clinton's gender is no more than a suitable facade.
John Stuart Mill described the power of empire. "Despotism is a legitimate mode of government in dealing with barbarians," he wrote, "provided the end be their improvement, and the means justified by actually effecting that end." The "barbarians" were large sections of humanity of whom "implicit obedience" was required.
"It's a nice and convenient myth that liberals are the peacemakers and conservatives the warmongers," wrote the British historian Hywel Williams in 2001, "but the imperialism of the liberal way may be more dangerous because of its open ended nature - its conviction that it represents a superior form of life [while denying its] self righteous fanaticism." He had in mind a speech by Tony Blair in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, in which Blair promised to "reorder this world around us" according to his "moral values". The carnage of a million dead in Iraq was the result.
Blair's crimes are not unusual. Since 1945, some 69 countries - more than a third of the membership of the United Nations - have suffered some or all of the following. They have been invaded, their governments overthrown, their popular movements suppressed, their elections subverted and their people bombed. The historian Mark Curtis estimates the death toll in the millions. With the demise of the European empires, this has been the project of the flame carrier, the "exceptional" United States, whose celebrated "progressive" president, John F Kennedy, according to new research, authorized the bombing of Moscow during the Cuban crisis in 1962.
"If we have to use force," said Madeleine Albright, US secretary of state in the administration of Bill Clinton and still a passionate campaigner for Hillary Clinton, "it is because we are America. We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future."
One of Hillary Clinton's most searing crimes was the destruction of Libya in 2011. At her urging, and with American logistical support, NATO, launched 9,700 "strike sorties" against Libya, according to its own records, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. They included missiles with uranium warheads. There are photographs of the rubble of Misurata and Sirte, and the mass graves identified by the Red Cross as well as the UNICEF report on the children killed, "most [of them] under the age of ten".
In Anglo-American scholarship, followed slavishly by the media on both sides of the Atlantic, influential theorists known as "liberal realists" have long taught that imperialists - a term they never use - are the world's peace brokers and crisis managers, rather than the cause of a crisis. They have taken the humanity out of the study of nations and congealed it with a jargon that serves warmongering power. Laying out whole nations for autopsy, they have identified "failed states" (nations difficult to exploit) and "rogue states" (nations resistant to western dominance).
Whether or not the targeted regime is a democracy or dictatorship is irrelevant. In the Middle East, western collaborators have long been extremist Islamists. While cynical notions of democracy and human rights serve as rhetorical cover for conquest and mayhem - as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Honduras are the public record of those good liberals Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Theirs is a standard to which Trump can only aspire.
Regardless defined as something which is not dependent upon current circumstances, facts or other statements?
But yet ... you and those who are in agreement with you on some issues (being "right' about Donald Trump paying porn stars and playmates to stay quiet about having sex with Donald, sometimes while he had a new child at home. And of course, this is the man Christians elect to the office of President) cannot seem to get away from the 'gutter glee' and address the real issue:
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Why do we who allow governments, our governments, to commit great crimes, against all of humanity in our name and claim innocence by scapegoating our 'so called leaders' ?
We can no longer claim to be innocent bystanders. Our responsibility is urgent.
Reliable journalists are one way of looking at the bigger picture.
Here is what I deem to be a reliable journalist:
johnpilger.com
Hillary Clinton leaves a trail of blood and suffering around the world and a clear record of exploitation and greed in her own country.
Barack Obama, (like all American presidents), was also pro-war. He voted for George W. Bush's funding of the slaughter in Iraq. He was planning to escalate the invasion of Afghanistan. In the weeks before he took the presidential oath, he secretly approved an Israeli assault on Gaza, the massacre known as Operation Cast Lead. He promised to close the concentration camp at Guantanamo and did not. He pledged to help make the world "free from nuclear weapons" and did the opposite.
As a new kind of marketing manager for the status quo Obama was an inspired choice. Even at the end of his blood-spattered presidency, with his signature drones spreading infinitely more terror and death around the world than that ignited by jihadists in Paris and Brussels, Obama is fawned on as "cool" (the Guardian).
Trump is a media hate figure. That alone should arouse our scepticism. Trump's views on migration are grotesque but it is not Trump who is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton embodies the resilience and violence of a system that wants a first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies - just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president and voters swallowed his nonsense about "hope".
At the root is an enduring unsayable. the compulsion, of many voters in the United States to embrace a leader from within a system that is demonstrably imperial and violent. Like Obama's "hope", Clinton's gender is no more than a suitable facade.
John Stuart Mill described the power of empire. "Despotism is a legitimate mode of government in dealing with barbarians," he wrote, "provided the end be their improvement, and the means justified by actually effecting that end." The "barbarians" were large sections of humanity of whom "implicit obedience" was required.
"It's a nice and convenient myth that liberals are the peacemakers and conservatives the warmongers," wrote the British historian Hywel Williams in 2001, "but the imperialism of the liberal way may be more dangerous because of its open ended nature - its conviction that it represents a superior form of life [while denying its] self righteous fanaticism." He had in mind a speech by Tony Blair in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, in which Blair promised to "reorder this world around us" according to his "moral values". The carnage of a million dead in Iraq was the result.
Blair's crimes are not unusual. Since 1945, some 69 countries - more than a third of the membership of the United Nations - have suffered some or all of the following. They have been invaded, their governments overthrown, their popular movements suppressed, their elections subverted and their people bombed. The historian Mark Curtis estimates the death toll in the millions. With the demise of the European empires, this has been the project of the flame carrier, the "exceptional" United States, whose celebrated "progressive" president, John F Kennedy, according to new research, authorized the bombing of Moscow during the Cuban crisis in 1962.
"If we have to use force," said Madeleine Albright, US secretary of state in the administration of Bill Clinton and still a passionate campaigner for Hillary Clinton, "it is because we are America. We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future."
One of Hillary Clinton's most searing crimes was the destruction of Libya in 2011. At her urging, and with American logistical support, NATO, launched 9,700 "strike sorties" against Libya, according to its own records, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. They included missiles with uranium warheads. There are photographs of the rubble of Misurata and Sirte, and the mass graves identified by the Red Cross as well as the UNICEF report on the children killed, "most [of them] under the age of ten".
In Anglo-American scholarship, followed slavishly by the media on both sides of the Atlantic, influential theorists known as "liberal realists" have long taught that imperialists - a term they never use - are the world's peace brokers and crisis managers, rather than the cause of a crisis. They have taken the humanity out of the study of nations and congealed it with a jargon that serves warmongering power. Laying out whole nations for autopsy, they have identified "failed states" (nations difficult to exploit) and "rogue states" (nations resistant to western dominance).
Whether or not the targeted regime is a democracy or dictatorship is irrelevant. In the Middle East, western collaborators have long been extremist Islamists. While cynical notions of democracy and human rights serve as rhetorical cover for conquest and mayhem - as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Haiti, Honduras are the public record of those good liberals Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Theirs is a standard to which Trump can only aspire.
Regardless defined as something which is not dependent upon current circumstances, facts or other statements?
But yet ... you and those who are in agreement with you on some issues (being "right' about Donald Trump paying porn stars and playmates to stay quiet about having sex with Donald, sometimes while he had a new child at home. And of course, this is the man Christians elect to the office of President) cannot seem to get away from the 'gutter glee' and address the real issue:
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Why do we who allow governments, our governments, to commit great crimes, against all of humanity in our name and claim innocence by scapegoating our 'so called leaders' ?
We can no longer claim to be innocent bystanders. Our responsibility is urgent.
Reliable journalists are one way of looking at the bigger picture.
Here is what I deem to be a reliable journalist:
- John Pilger is one of the world’s acclaimed investigative journalists and documentary film-makers. He is a leading critic of the foreign policies of the United States and the United Kingdom, imperialism, war, racism, neoliberalism, atrocities against indigenous people and the corporatisation of the media. In his journalism career of six decades, Pilger has documented, with prescience and precision, how the world order is shaped by the interests of powerful nations. Based in the U.K. since 1962, he has made 61 documentaries capturing some of the most important events and episodes of the second half of the 20th century and the present century. These include the Vietnam war; the turmoil in Cambodia; Indonesia’s genocide in East Timor; the U.S.’ intervention in Latin American countries, Afghanistan and Iraq; the Israeli occupation of Palestine; and the impact of the policies of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on Third World countries.
JohnPilger.com - the films and journalism of John Pilger
JohnPilger.com - the films and journalism of John Pilger
Ritafee
Is Being Human
In my previous post I pointed out how our world leaders follow the same patterns as laid out for them by 'the world order' ... can you point out how George is the same as Pat Robertson?