"Free Speech" vs "Hate Speech"|

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Waterfall said:
I beg to differ. When hate is expressed it is usually followed or includes an action towards others. It is a crime not a freedom IMO.
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I disagree with making a legislation about an opinion and I also disagree that it's usually followed by an action. If someone chooses to hate someone for whatever reason, that's ok. I think quite a few people will say they hate child molesters. The ones who actually take action against an individual a few. I think the most common action taken would be voting, but that depends on the options provided, most aren't going to go out of their way to introduce change.
 
ChemGal said:
I disagree with making a legislation about an opinion
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In fact, you can't unless this is a magical world with telepathy. You can legislate expression of an opinion (but how far you can go with that is really the subject of this thread). You can legislate action based on that opinion (e.g. if you kill someone you hate, criminal charge follow). But you cannot legislate the opinion itself.

And, as you say, "hate" is sometime justified provided we don't take it too far. You can hate child molesters all you like but murdering one is still murder. The parent of a child victim might get away with "defending my child" but that's a defense based on the murder being justified, not absolution.
 
Mendalla said:
In fact, you can't unless this is a magical world with telepathy. You can legislate expression of an opinion (but how far you can go with that is really the subject of this thread). You can legislate action based on that opinion (e.g. if you kill someone you hate, criminal charge follow). But you cannot legislate the opinion itself.

And, as you say, "hate" is sometime justified provided we don't take it too far. You can hate child molesters all you like but murdering one is still murder. The parent of a child victim might get away with "defending my child" but that's a defense based on the murder being justified, not absolution.
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Well it *can* be done, but good luck with any enforcement.
 
ChemGal said:
I disagree with making a legislation about an opinion and I also disagree that it's usually followed by an action. If someone chooses to hate someone for whatever reason, that's ok. I think quite a few people will say they hate child molesters. The ones who actually take action against an individual a few. I think the most common action taken would be voting, but that depends on the options provided, most aren't going to go out of their way to introduce change.
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I was referring to those who enacted their hate towards others of course we cannot be thought police.
 
Waterfall said:
Hate is considered a crime when used to harm or alienate others? Not really sure I'm not a lawyer. :D
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I think that's going way too far in limiting what people can say as well as personal freedoms. Ie. Someone is racist - they only invite people of certain backgrounds to their party at their house. That would fall under alienation. Even take out the aspects where we often provide protection too. Someone hates someone else due to personal reasons, so they are left out of the potluck a group is invited to in their home.
 
ChemGal said:
I think that's going way too far in limiting what people can say as well as personal freedoms. Ie. Someone is racist - they only invite people of certain backgrounds to their party at their house. That would fall under alienation. Even take out the aspects where we often provide protection too. Someone hates someone else due to personal reasons, so they are left out of the potluck a group is invited to in their home.
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I think you're overthinking this.;)
 
ChemGal said:
You were the one who suggested getting rid of the term hate speech. I'm defending my position as to why that won't work, you haven't convinced me otherwise.
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What's your solution? One has to draw the line somewhere or else hatred will prevail.
 
Would doing away with conflict about what we like and desire ... cause cooperation of the gods of war that dislike cooperation and thus create dissonance in legislated words i.e. word of law and loss of oral expression?

We could get right into this like denizens of adept situations considering where words come from ... a (deep) mystery that some traditions call nothing to concern you as the soul of cooperation is unseen ... thus a darker endearment!

Do not speak of dark and silent things within a company that hates silence as if it were the death of oral traditions as writ! That would be a corporeal Ms't Ruth ... although unseen except in the context of myth ...

Context --- the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning --- from Wiki'δ sources of understanding of abstract iconisms!

It appears word goes on and on variously altered to avoid detection and understanding as a kind illumination about what was an unknown ante ... as aforesaid ... that prior thought as passed on! Metaphorically as a denizen of stuff hidden in a deleterious abstract (something incomplete)? There appears to be a crack in it ...

Then in the Arabian myth of darkness Adam was the first person in the story as told ... but the story may have been copied from elsewhere that we knew nothing was about it as far as we know!

That's what I'm sticking too as indication of the unknown idealism of mortals ... half cocked rock in a sling ...

Plato even declared this was like a smudge on the wall ... mysterious if not read into adequately! Great expansions of what we know may be required to encounter truth given the state of what's been laid out to date ...

Rehab ithch alla 't ION ... related to aneus in sly and slippery (up the) Greek Isles! Why determinate is related to Don quiXote! Tis enigmatic! 'X' relating to the point unknown ... Oregon, or oral ginn ... of the spirit or essence?

Mensa Roue's !
 
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Did you know 'Sar' once was a word having something to do with head ... and in this day of headlessness and all heart ... we require a period of rest for the blown remnants of what was conquered and put down as if denizen ... Don of the rising elimination of the dark blind followings?

"We shall see is the prediction" ... by some notorious heedles icon ... a flash appears as expectation even by Machiavellian Prince's ... obscure cloudiness!

In the I'z these are known bi-times as cataracts .. leading to descents ... it befalls the hubris if you pay not heed to the shadows ... carry a torch .. as a supply of smudge!

Once smudged some say react ... others are meso responsible for the remnant planted ...

The remnant may be chill'd or a kohl indication if something required that repeat may be necessary in de cycle ... inde course of incidents ... impact of the unknown?

If you see the headless wandering this eve ... understand that they laws tit for a tat on hollo weinie ... a Gothe fete!

Some people suffer great haunts and other entranced traumas ... because others (alternate deuces) won't hear of shortages of critical whinings ... at least until the lights go out in Ghia land ... (short for the dark hiatus).

You did know that hiatus was like a' gap-heh? Spatial plug ... like Tome as a bearer of abstract when you had nothing to do ... when made useless by age and time passing over! Creates Ms. 't ... and some wishing to play it ... thus Heh was avoided ... and the games began as gam Mae ... or gam maw ... that vacant expression!
 
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Nothing is difficult to express except in the absence of the heart and thee abstract kicks in ... as jousting winds ...

Cupid may take a poke at it ... as in that song Spirit, Open My Heart ... tis often isle expected nor interpreted well and deep except by those isolated from civility and socialism and feeling something isn't rite ... thus deviance from reality of course!

Twas aspiration ... as the sly thing slipped ... and thoughts slid down isle from there as they would say in celt fringes ... blackout ... dream or trauma? Are some belles of the Ba'al dressed falsely ... Golem?
 
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Admit it we are a grossly hateful people with our overblown concepts of contests ... leading to bullying aggression ...

Cry me a Black Pool ... sing me a sad song and it shall hang there ... beyond our understanding ...

Love of understanding? That' soude ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Admit it we are a grossly hateful people with our overblown concepts of contests ... leading to bullying aggression ...
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All part and parcel of Total Depravity. I have mentioned it once or twice.
 
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