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No Santa? No Kids.

Discussion in 'Family Life' started by Jae, Dec 22, 2017.

  1. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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  2. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    Assuming that that is the whole story here, it is quite a ridiculous over-reach on the part of the CAS. I can't see that not teaching the kids about Santa and the Easter Bunny is harming them in any way, esp. since they didn't actually do the opposite and tell them they weren't real. Does this mean families from cultures that don't even celebrate those holidays can't be fosters?

    Now, there may have been other grounds, but none of the media sources that I've seen discuss the CAS entering any so it is hard to tell. You would think that if they had some better grounds for the removal, they would get those out in court ASAP to help stop the PR and legal damage this case is doing to them.
     
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  3. ChemGal

    ChemGal One with keen eye

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    I'm a bit surprised the provinces actually have their crap together enough where they are barred from fostering here.
     
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  4. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    One has to work their way through the myths for the dark and buried gold ... NOSH-ite and chew carefully ...
     
  5. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Tis in a fostered fecundity ... the mind being a myth what does it receive at Christmas? Only stinking nonmaterial!
     
  6. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Do you think they should be banned because they won't tell kids SC and EB are real?
     
  7. ChemGal

    ChemGal One with keen eye

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    No. I know someone who was turned down from being a foster parent for much less though. She was able to do it years later at least.

    Fostering is something that should be temporary, and I do think respecting of beliefs is really important and ideal would be having a decent match. The worker went overboard on enforcing that.
     
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  8. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I agree, a close match is best. What about for little babies though?
     
  9. dreamerman

    dreamerman Well-Known Member

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    The children were aged three and four from the article that you cited. So did they believe in Santa before they were told Santa didn't exist? How were they told about his non-existence? I think these questions need to be answered first before we get the full story. If it were Atheists who were the foster parents and they told the kids who were raised to believe in God that there was no God, and lost there kids for doing so, I bet you wouldn't have raised an eye brow.
     
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  10. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    These foster parents told their foster kids the truth - there is no Santa Claus. There is no Easter Bunny.

    Atheist foster parents who tell their foster kids that there is no God are telling them an untruth.

    I see a big difference.
     
  11. dreamerman

    dreamerman Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for being honest
     
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  12. Carolla

    Carolla wondering & wandering

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    As usual, I suspect there is far more to this story than has been presented. I imagine it is likely more about imposition of beliefs of the foster family upon their foster children, which I imagine would be contrary to standards. Tha case (initiated by the foster parents) went before the supreme court of ontario - is there a judgment yet?
     
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  13. Waterfall

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    Well I hope they call the judge and the social worker up in a few years to deliver the message, "Just kidding".
     
  14. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with parents teaching their kids their beliefs. I guess that goes for foster parents and their foster kids too. I expect Christian parents to be sharing God's word with their kids and bringing them to church to participate in the sacraments.
     
  15. Pinga

    Pinga Room for All

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    That is not the situation

    They are caring for some other people's children.

    They said they would not lie about santa or the Easter bunny.

    Their job is not to change the children's belief

    If a child comes to them with reasonable cultural activities, belief, as foster parents their job is to respect and care

    I would take them away as well

    Just as I would if they were caring for children who are from Jewish, Islamic, or Roman Catholic and tried to convert them
     
  16. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Pinga, I can't recall the article I linked to saying anything about the foster parents trying to convert their foster kids - unless you want to count converting them away from believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

    When you mention, "reasonable cultural activities," exactly who is to determine what is "reasonable?" Seems the judge in this case believed it reasonable that the kids continue to believe that a jolly fat man from the North Pole, and an oversized rodent, will bring them gifts.
     
  17. Pinga

    Pinga Room for All

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    In this case, the judge felt the children staying with these foster adults not in these children's best interest.
     
  18. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Yes, because they were teaching that the mythical Santa Claus and the mythical Easter Bunny are myths.
     
  19. Pinga

    Pinga Room for All

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    Jae,if someone wishes to impose their belief on children, then you need to have or adopt.

    I think you missed the role of a foster parent.
     
  20. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    I think you missed the words in the article. It does not say that the foster parents in question tried to convert their foster children Pinga.
     

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