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Born Again

Discussion in 'Religion and Faith' started by Jae, Jan 7, 2019.

  1. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    "Jesus answered, and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again, he may not see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith to him, How may a man be born, when he is old? whether he may enter again into his mother's womb, and be born again? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again of water, and of the Holy Ghost, he may not enter into the kingdom of God." - John 3:3-5 (WYC).

    What does it mean to be "born again?"

    What are the indications that someone is "born again?"

    If you believe that you are "born again" - how did you become so?

    Might "born from above" be a better term to use than "born again?"
     
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  2. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Immagine seeing the light again after being kept in the dark by powers with the commission of telling the common folk that they didn't need to know ... thus the tree of forgetfulness as a log ? It fell ... root of pagan light ... common evolution of wisdom from beyond the astute points of pious stickiness?

    The myth continues to evolve ... it goes on because of the Prodigal Father being out of it ... Methyl Use-ah bi!

    Could be a blast of the other kind! The thought took High Flight ... in literature!

    Dearly departed ...
     
  3. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    I'm thinking right now of all the mothers who gave birth to unappreciative little jerks who later decided the initial birth wasn't enough.

    "Born again" isn't a birth. It's a a rite of passage into a cult. If you claim "born again" status, you're just advertising that you are a member of a cult and looking to recruit more cult members. A ''born again" who announces their cult member status in a group is generally about as welcome as a real estate agent. No matter how friendly either are, you are always wondering if they are only playing nice because they have something they are desperate to sell you.
     
  4. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Are cults free or are there loyalty feys ... as ephraim? Thus the ousting of souls ... Oui Jah ...
     
  5. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    Coming from a liberal background and outlook, I have always seen "born again" less literally, more about faith or some other force transforming and renewing one's life than some kind of magical thing. As such, it need not be limited to a Christian or even religious context, though it seems to work best there.

    I don't think I have had a "born again" experience myself. Even my move to UU was more of an extension of a gradual process than a sudden transformation. I didn't change so much as I found a more suitable place for who I already was.
     
  6. blackbelt1961

    blackbelt1961 Well-Known Member

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    Acts 1:4-8 you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now

    John 20:22 And with that He breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
     
  7. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    There are positive and negative forces ... some rising and the other humbling ... some don't believe in one or the other and thus one halve collapses ... bringing on narrow visions of eternalism! Some declare it as Phoenix Hole ... Dante's Aspiration of warm brestive wends ... that crank in the night?
     
  8. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    Yes blackbelt, and so your point is... what? Being baptized with the Spirit is the same as being born again?
     
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  9. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Insane unkindness of ravens ... shavings of the log ...
     
  10. blackbelt1961

    blackbelt1961 Well-Known Member

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    sane?

    yes its sane :p
     
  11. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Only in remote factions of the eternal ...
     
  12. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    How do you respond to those who see baptism with the Spirit as being an event which happens subsequent to salvation?
     
  13. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Imagine being awash with visions in all degrees of magnitude ... mind boggles?

    Some would never accept that ...
     
  14. blackbelt1961

    blackbelt1961 Well-Known Member

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    usually with a hello, why?

    how do you respond?
     
  15. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Just say Hei before you are dropped ...
     
  16. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes:

    I meant - what's your best theological argument against their stance. However, I think you knew that.
     
  17. blackbelt1961

    blackbelt1961 Well-Known Member

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    if your looking for a formal leading up the event of Spiritual rebirth, you won't get one from me, other than me stating that a Spiritual rebirth is a real event, the How to for each individual belongs to God.

    be back in a few hrs , off to Martial arts
     
  18. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Is martial arts part of the mirage of gentile connections?

    Powerful point from casting of Jude Anne ... with Rome's lost sentimentalism? Love brutally ... thus the bashin ...
     
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    Jae ---your question from OP --------What does it mean to be "born again?"


    unsafe Posting here ----The Greek word for Born Again -----

    313. anagennaó
    Strong's Concordance
    anagennaó: to beget again
    Original Word: ἀναγεννάω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: anagennaó
    Phonetic Spelling: (an-ag-en-nah'-o)
    Definition: to beget again
    Usage: I beget again, beget into a new life.
    HELPS Word-studies

    313
    anagennáō (from 303 /aná, "up, again," which intensifies 1080 /gennáō, "give birth") – properly, born-again or "born from on high."

    313 /anagennáō ("born again, from above") is used twice in the NT (1 Pet 1:3,23) – both times referring to God regenerating a believer (giving a supernatural, new birth).

    [313 (anagennáō) "does not occur in classical or Septuagintal Greek. Any use elsewhere (i.e. outside the NT) is disputed (cf. Moulton-Milligan; Selwyn, First Epistle of St. Peter, 122)" (CBL). This underlines the importance of its two occasions in the NT (1 Pet 1:3,23).]

    ἀναγεννάω, (ῶ; to produce again, beget again, beget anew; metaphorically: τινα, thoroughly to change the mind of one, so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God,



    Jae ---your question in OP -----What are the indications that someone is "born again?"


    unsafe Posting Article -----worth the read -----

    Are You Born Again? –
    Nine Signs of Conversion


    Are You Born Again? Nine Signs of Conversion



    Jae your question from OP ------- Might "born from above" be a better term to use than "born again?"


    unsafe says -----what you call it matters not to me ---Born Anew ---Born Again ----Born from Above -------Regenerated etc --etc --it all means the same thing -----which is this from the Greek word above -----

    born again, from above") is used twice in the NT (1 Pet 1:3,23) – both times referring to God regenerating a believer (giving a supernatural, new birth).
     
  20. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    So Doctor Who is a Christian? :nerd::D
     
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