What is the Connection Between Faith and Theology?

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If trump is a top card in the god deck ... I believe I'll continue to fall away and observe from a healthy distance for the bhang ... there is bound to be smoke and nebulous cloud around this attribute worshiped by those loving conflict.

I prefer being here on the fringe observing the alien and strange blind ness's ... waiting for the escape button ... it is said to be dark ...
 
unsafe says and posted part of article
Some Good advice -----

read all here
You Cannot Serve Both God and Theology

Without theology, you will not know God — literally and spiritually. So, this article is not meant to be a prohibition against theology — God forbid — but a caution and a warning about theology. Knowledge about God can replace an authentic knowing of him to our destruction, especially for the theologically refined and convinced. We all should want our theology to be not only true, but Spirit-filled and fruitful.
 
Jae --your quote -----It is grace through which God brings the elect unto himself.

And How does Grace come Jae -----through Faith -----
 
Mendalla ------your quote ------So I guess I'm not one of the elect?

unsafe says ----You certainally can be if you want to be Mendalla -----


unsafe asks
------Why have you hardened your heart against God ? that is the question --God is there for you Mendalla --it is your choice to be away from God -----God has never abandoned you -----


Mendalla -----your quote ------
Does losing/changing your faith away from a theistic one mean God has taken Grace away or that it was never there in the first place?


unsafe says
----God's saving grace is available through His saving Faith only ----it is there available for you Mendalla wherever you are ready to receive it -----all up to you now -----God's Grace is always present Mendalla ----every morning you open your eyes that is God's Grace ----being able to have free will to reject Jesus is God's Grace --You have God's Grace flowing all through your day while you reject him and His word ---what greater love is this --Mendalla
 
God just is ... that's all there is ... we can't escape everything by purchase of admonitions from institutions ...

Other than the great white house elephant!
 
Waterfall ---your quote ----Isn't God big enough to offer grace without one having faith?

He certainly is big enough but He never goes against His word ---and His Word clearly States that Saving Grace comes through Saving Faith --So all I can say is if anyone has a problem with that they will have to take it up with God ----
 
unsafe says and posted part of article
Some Good advice -----

read all here
You Cannot Serve Both God and Theology

Without theology, you will not know God — literally and spiritually. So, this article is not meant to be a prohibition against theology — God forbid — but a caution and a warning about theology. Knowledge about God can replace an authentic knowing of him to our destruction, especially for the theologically refined and convinced. We all should want our theology to be not only true, but Spirit-filled and fruitful.
Well I would hope no one "serves theology" but I don't think a "refined theology" automatically suggests a dishonest faithfulness to God. For years many churches condemned homosexuality, but after some theologians took a deeper look at God's word, this has begun to change. The words didn't change in scripture, but the understanding did.
Sometimes those who disagree with us can be wrong BUT they can also bring forward a deeper understanding of scripture that upsets us and may be beyond where our understanding is at the moment.
I enjoyed the article, thanks.
 
Waterfall ---your quote ----Isn't God big enough to offer grace without one having faith?

He certainly is big enough but He never goes against His word ---and His Word clearly States that Saving Grace comes through Saving Faith --So all I can say is if anyone has a problem with that they will have to take it up with God ----
Jesus told us stories, the lost coin that did nothing to be found, a lost sheep that couldn't rescue itself, the prodigal that was received as a son.....no faith involved, although I'm sure faith could also be involved....God's will is not our will.
 
Mendalla ------your quote ------So I guess I'm not one of the elect?

unsafe says ----You certainally can be if you want to be Mendalla -----


unsafe asks
------Why have you hardened your heart against God ? that is the question --God is there for you Mendalla --it is your choice to be away from God -----God has never abandoned you -----


Mendalla -----your quote ------
Does losing/changing your faith away from a theistic one mean God has taken Grace away or that it was never there in the first place?


unsafe says
----God's saving grace is available through His saving Faith only ----it is there available for you Mendalla wherever you are ready to receive it -----all up to you now -----God's Grace is always present Mendalla ----every morning you open your eyes that is God's Grace ----being able to have free will to reject Jesus is God's Grace --You have God's Grace flowing all through your day while you reject him and His word ---what greater love is this --Mendalla

But there's a clear disconnect here between what you espouse and what Jae and John espouse. You present the classical evangelical view that salvation is a reward for faith, that God gives to those who believe the right things. Jae and John are presenting the view that God acts through dispensing Grace, unmerited favour that isn't a reward, and that faith is actually a gift of receiving that Grace. Both views can be justified through scripture, as you and the others have demonstrated time and again, so how does someone like me know which one of you is right? What's the experiment I can do to test the validity of the salvation by Grace hypothesis or the salvation by faith hypothesis? There isn't one, so it is all matter of how one reads and interprets scripture which, in the end, means it's all comes down to human reasoning, not any kind of divine action. Or so it appears when one peers in from outside.
 
Maybe if we ourselves offer each kind of grace to others we will know by seeing which one has the most chance of offering a transformation in the hearts of men?
 
Theology is the theory, faith is the practice.......

As a Christian, the theory that captures my attention is love God, love neighbour.

Faith is loving God and loving who/what God loves. (our environment, our neighbour, our "enemies" and last, but not least, ourselves.)

That's more than enough to concentrate on, i.m.o.
 
Mendalla ---your quote ----But there's a clear disconnect here between what you espouse and what Jae and John espouse

The Bible is very clear Mendalla that God does not play favorites -----and that Jesus died for all people to be saved ----it is our choice to receive Jesus or reject Jesus ----by God picking certain people goes against what His word says ----it is all about understanding what the elect means and it does not mean that God chooses certain People to go to heaven and He sends the rest to a place of torment -----

We cannot blame God for us going to hell ---that is our choice where we end up ----Period ----

Anyone who wants to argue with this scripture will have to argue with God about the interpretation ---cause it is pretty plain to me -----Blaming God is just a big Cop Out for not having to take the Blame for our own choices ------


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and this one to ----

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Mendalla ---your quote ----But there's a clear disconnect here between what you espouse and what Jae and John espouse

The Bible is very clear Mendalla that God does not play favorites -----and that Jesus died for all people to be saved ----it is our choice to receive Jesus or reject Jesus ----by God picking certain people goes against what His word says ----it is all about understanding what the elect means and it does not mean that God chooses certain People to go to heaven and He sends the rest to a place of torment -----

We cannot blame God for us going to hell ---that is our choice where we end up ----Period ----

Anyone who wants to argue with this scripture will have to argue with God about the interpretation ---cause it is pretty plain to me -----Blaming God is just a big Cop Out for not having to take the Blame for our own choices ------


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and this one to ----

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Here's one thing the missionary Paul wrote, "Before the world was created, God chose us because of His love! Just above! He planned that we should be holy and excluded. God has already planned to make us his own children. Cool, brother. This was done by Jesus Christ! Just above! In his plan, God wanted this." - Ephesians 1:4-5.
 
God uses means.


:ROFLMAO:

Are means our mental mediums ... for use in adaption and evolution around things Gods throw at us to cause conflicts ... as the great gods of the space like doings ... thus change and educated guesses at what we don't know ... as educational alternates!

There are piles of books beyond (para) a singular one to use ... as stated in latter verses of John ... for those not seized in a fit of mucking about with the same ole mould ... toe dstools ...

Mega Gods and psychopathy ... those that believe they are something they are not encouraged Uncertainty Theory ... a theme for the stuck, poked and probed to see what s there ... nothing that can be changed?
 
Here's one thing the missionary Paul wrote, "Before the world was created, God chose us because of His love! Just above! He planned that we should be holy and excluded. God has already planned to make us his own children. Cool, brother. This was done by Jesus Christ! Just above! In his plan, God wanted this." - Ephesians 1:4-5.

What was ... afore word creation? Silence ... listen carefully for it is a long way off ... reason being; the rackets made by institution! Wild enough for admonishment ...
 
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