Vaccination - The Point Of View Of The Child

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Chicken pox is not an innocuous infection. It can lead to incephalitis and can lead to death

Especially in adults. I had a friend in his 30s catch chicken pox. It was a very unpleasant situation; he was very sick for a few days.
 
It is around 7 deaths per 100,000 cases nd in canada we have400,00 ish cases annually. So there should be around 30 deaths annually

Of course that doesnt account for morbidity. The results of encephalitis can be catastrophic life long issues
 
Everything in the DTaP vaccine CDC excipient list, which is still information I’m shocked is even provided to us.
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Polysorbate 80
: also known as Tween 80, this is an emulsifier used to keep liquids mixed in ice cream, vitamins, and the DTaP, Tdap, Hep A, flu, Gardasil, and meningococcal vaccines. It’s made from oleic acid with the trade name “Extra Olein 99.” Super news! Extra Olein 99 is made from the garbage disposal of wildflowers: sunflower seeds. The great soil cleaners are known to suck lead right out of the dirt, known to store cancer-causing cadmium and copper in the seeds. In fact, women with breast cancer are told not to eat sunflower seed oil because it causes mammary tumors.

Then there’s the added cancer bonus: sunflower seeds are sprayed with Roundup just before harvest.Why are we spraying sunflowers with a weed killer just before picking them? Because we can! Roundup helps dry them out for harvest, and Monsanto got new rules in place to spray for “pre-harvest weeds” so go ahead and douse them and feed it to your kids in their school-sanctioned sunbutter sandwich.

Allergic to sunflower seed oil (or anything it cross reacts with like banana or melon) thanks to the DTaP? Never fear! NOF Corporation, the maker of polysorbate 80, wants to assure you that their Extra Olein 99 product triggers LESS histamine release from mast cells than previous versions (PDF page 51). Thanks for looking out, NOF. Truly inspirational.

The Material Safety Data Sheet for polysorbate 80 says it “may cause adverse reproductive effects.” I’m sure the 12% of women in this country who struggle with infertility have something to say about that, along with every woman who has suffered ovarian failure and early menopause after the Gardasil vaccine.

Aluminum phosphate: this gel is used to suck up the the bacterial toxoids in vaccines. It holds onto the toxoid, slowly releasing it once injected, making the body’s immune response take longer. You may have heard that aluminum must be safe because it’s found in breast milk. Let’s get this straight: aluminum is found in breast milk because the women in this country are poisoned from the food and water supply, not because it belongs there. There is no known use for aluminum in the human body.

Here’s the handy CDC PDF on aluminum safety where they discuss inhalation, oral consumption, and putting aluminum on the skin. Notice what’s missing? Only in a teensy little section do they discuss injecting aluminum hydroxide and aluminum phosphate into rabbits (page 103, “Other routes of exposure”). There they admit that aluminum phosphate has three times the amount of absorption by the body when measured at 28 days compared to aluminum hydroxide. 28 days! Aren’t we told that the human body disposes of aluminum within hours?

But the juicy part starts on page 76 of the PDF where it says, “The neurotoxicity of aluminum following oral exposure has been well established in humans with renal insufficiency.” That means that they know what it does to people with kidney disease– because they don’t bother to study what it does to healthy people. It goes on to name memory loss, fatigue, depression, behavioral changes, learning impairment and dementia. At the bottom of the page they say that aluminum toxicity is marked by confusion, muscle twitching, grand mal seizures, coma and death. Toward the bottom of page 78, in the Alzheimer’s discussion, the CDC admits, “Aluminum may play a role in the disease development by acting as a co-factor in the chain of pathological events resulting in Alzheimer’s disease.” At the two-month appointment one form of aluminum or another is in the DTaP, Hib, Hep B and PC vaccines.

Formaldehyde: usually formaldehyde is used as a resin, like for holding cheap-ass particle board furniture together. In vaccines it’s used to kill antigens to inactivate them. In 2011 the National Toxicology Program declared formaldehyde to be a known human carcinogen. Did you read that? It causes cancer. Not probably. Not possibly. They know it, they announced it, and they inject your kid with it anyway. “But Quack,” you say. “There’s more formaldehyde in a pear.” You know what?

Screw that propaganda. I’m sick of the stupid things people say to trivialize concerns about chronic illness in our children. Just because something is natural we should shut up and inject it into our bodies? How about everyone who tells me about pears takes a hefty injection of cyanide? It’s a natural product of apple cores. Anyway. Formaldehyde is in almost every vaccine that isn’t a live vaccine. At the two-month appointment it’s in the DTaP, Hib, Hep B, and Polio vaccines so even if you believe “the dose makes the poison,” multiply that dose by a factor of four.

Glutaraldehyde: Unbelievably, this stuff is used to sterilize medical equipment. As in, it kills everything it comes into contact with, and that’s diluted to 0.1% strength. In vaccines it’s used to inactivate toxins, just like formaldehyde. And you know when you were in school and you needed to stain a slide so everything on it suffers an instantaneous cell death so you can look at it under the microscope? Glutaraldehyde is your guy for that. It’s also used to kill warts on the body and for embalming dead people. And! This is the real kicker. It’s in fracking fluid. Not good enough for mother earth, but just good enough for your baby.

Phenoxyethanol: this is a preservative from the glycol ether family of chemicals, which are usually found in paint remover and jet fuel. The material safety data sheet for it says it’s extremely hazardous if it gets in the eyes, and it causes skin itching and blistering if you touch it. It’s toxic to the kidneys, nervous system and liver and don’t forget to wear a vapor respirator if you work with it in a lab.

When a nipple cream came out a few years ago using phenoxyethanol as an ingredient, the FDA went ballistic and issued a warning that the chemical can shut down the central nervous system and cause vomiting and diarrhea.

Bottom line: obviously don’t eat it, but it’s totally safe to inject into the capillary beds of a newborn four times in their first 15 months.

Stainer-Scholte medium, modified Mueller’s growth medium, modified Mueller-Miller casamino acid medium (without beef heart infusion): these are all of the nutrient agar plates used used to grow pertussis cells and other bacteria. I’m not having an easy time finding exactly what they’re made of, but in general they’re the digestive products of proteins with beef extract, and the casamino acid is derived from cow’s milk, another top allergen. Here’s one Mueller agar made from pea meal, which might shed some light on this peanut/legume allergy epidemic we’re in. Page 9 of this catalog lists Muellar agars with sheep blood and horse blood as delicious options. Are peanuts ever used as growth medium? I’m not saying they’re in the childhood vaccination schedule, but yes, powdered peanut broth is an excellent growth medium.

Dimethyl 1-beta-cyclodextrin: this is another emulsifier, stabilizer, and antifoaming agent. It’s also the key ingredient in the new powdered alcohol and not surprisingly it can affect the liver and urinary systems in large quantities. This study says that beta-cyclodextrins have a nephrotoxic effect when injected, which means poisonous to the kidneys.

Ammonium sulfate: this is an ammonia salt that you might recognize as… fertilizer! In the lab it’s used to purify proteins by “salting” them out. The safety sheet for it says that if ingested it can act as a laxative and can cause ammonia poisoning. It can also cause somnolence (that deep sleep some babies fall into after being vaccinated), tremors and convulsions.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
To read the full list of shocking ingredients and the full article by Levi Quackenboss, click here.

Turns out those “big scary words” really are a living nightmare. I am grateful to the diligence of the researchers that devote their expertise to exposing the imminent danger of conditioning the masses to continue on this insane path towards totally destroying the human immune system.

There you have it folks - from my point of view - vaccinations are evidenced to do more harm than good - in the present and in the forecast scenarios - FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

 
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Does anyone else believe this fearmongering crap? I don't have time for this again, but I assume I probably don't need to respond, and that everyone else can Google their way to information that refutes the above junk.

Suffice to say, if you know so much more than doctors, then why go to them for anything?
 
Monk, many of those things are also found in:

- Make-up
- Personal care products
- other medicines, etc.

I'm not sure why vaccines are singled out?

I understand the fear about the 'foreign-ness' of many of the chemicals that comprise our daily lives (glyphosate, aka Roundup, is one of my bug bears because of what it does to the microbiology of the soil, but the stories about it being used as a dessicant for crops are urban legend, according to my farmer friends and Snopes).

I don't know what to do about that fear, because I think some of it might be warranted. On the other hand, some degree of fear about all kinds of features of modern life, from too much sitting to riding in a car, is also warranted. This is how people end up paralyzed by anxiety, and that really is a problem.

I think we have to accept that there are certain risks to living and decide what to do about them personally. Easy enough to avoid personal care products, etc. However, when the health of others (the far greater risk of dying from polio, or small pox, etc.) is affected by your personal decision, it's a lot more difficult. I know, rationally, that if the risk of mortality of vaccines is 1 per million vaccinated, and that a polio epidemic would kill 4% of the people infected, that we should, as public policy, pursue the prevention of the latter by way of the former. However, if my child were the 1, my feelings would be much different.
 
There is an interesting article in The Star today about the cost of health care. The costs of cancer treatments that give a person two months of life rather than one month of life. And the balancing act of deciding

And that is compared to the issue if it were your family member.

The needs of the many out wiegh the needs of the one. Or do they???

That is the ethical question

As to SIDS , everyone looks for a reason. Just like every parent looks to blame something for autism. It doesnt mean there is something to blame.
 
I appreciate your considered response Bette - you think about these things - then present your point of view - I find that admirable.

@chansen - I agree. You probably did not need to respond. Everyone can Google their way to information that refutes anything that anyone other says - refuting it does not negate it - as your point of view suggests. I would suffice it to say that you are the only one that I see post in this forum that actually does seem to believe that you know more than the doctors and scientists and investigative reporters that disagree with your point of view. Being that you admit that you no longer have time to expand upon your point of view - why bother jumping into a thread to discourage others from being a bit more open-minded than you are. You are the fear-monger not I. I am just asking questions and presenting my points of view. There is no justification for resenting me or anyone else for that. If the vaccination debate is closed for you then it is closed for you. It is not closed for me. If you have the time perhaps you could answer one question - a simple question - a yes or no answer will do - Do you support mandatory vaccination?
 
Umm, Monk. The rest of us are just not bothering to respond to you. Don't presume a lack of disagreement in posts is support for your viewpoint.

#1. I find most of your posts above fearmongering regarding vaccines.
#2. I advocate for vaccinations
#3. I find that you have a way of writing that reminds me of a previous poster who had similar paranoia regarding anything to do with any corporate, government or health care item.
 
As to SIDS , everyone looks for a reason. It doesn't mean there is something to blame.

In some of these deaths, an autopsy may be required, and the coroner or medical examiner has the legal authority to order an autopsy without the consent of the deceased person's family (next of kin). - This Is the Case in the most recent 'SUD' death in my extended family in B.C.

Ontario’s chief coroner’s office still uses SIDS as a cause of death, but only if all other possible factors, such as unsafe sleep environments, have been eliminated. None have qualified in recent years, though the office reported an average of 55 “undetermined” infant deaths a year from 2005-2009, 57 in 2012 and 38 in 2013.

Categorizing all such deaths as caused by SIDS tended “to create confusion rather than clarity,” since the term really meant that no cause could be found, says the B.C. Coroner’s Service in a 2014 report.

The service says it follows a 2012 resolution by the Canadian Chief Coroners and Medical Examiners group that favoured the classification “undetermined” – rather than SIDS – for sudden baby deaths where the autopsy identifies no cause. The province recorded 114 of them between 2008 and 2012.

It is argued that the shift away from recognizing SIDS only delays finding the true root causes of the devastating deaths – information that could lead to better prevention.

As to the ongoing investigation around the SID or SUD in my family - it remains to be seen if a cause of death will be found or it will be listed as unexplained.

It is not about blame it is about cause. We will have to wait and see if cause can be determined. As to the parents of the little one - we will also wait and see if they become suspicious of vaccination or remain trusting. At this time I have no intention of trying to influence them one way or another. I also do not intend to overlook the possibility that the recent vaccination could have been a contributing factor - nor would I dismiss forensic evidence that could prove that the vaccination was absolutely not a contributing factor.
 
But, Pinga, are we doing anyone any favours when we don't lay out exactly what the trade-off is?

MOST children are protected from serious disease by vaccinations. Society, as a whole, is safer, healthier and happier when it doesn't have the mortality and disability engendered by epidemic, preventable disease.

However, it is clear that vaccinations sometimes have adverse affects, the overwhelming majority of which are mere inconveniences. But not even the drug manufacturers deny that morbidity is an extremely rare adverse affect.

How do we tell a parent that his child is the 1 that protected the 3000?
 
All of parenting is risk, BetteTheRed.

Do you let them play hockey knowing that they could get hurt. or ski. or ride a bike.
Do you let them drive a car, knowing someone could drive into them.

What about playing outside? Walking to the school?

What about giving a Tylenol to bring down a fever or in our case, feeding him peas only to discover he was allergic to them.

So, yes, there are risks.
We measured the risks and decided that it was better to give our child a vaccine than risk them getting any of the above illnesses.
I understand that there are vulnerable children who cannot have vaccines.
I get pissed at the parents who take advantage of the rest of societies accepting the risk with the vaccine, and though there are no indicators to not vaccine, just don't do it.

I had the shingles vaccine as I have seen what it does to people from seniors at church and then my Dad.
I would recommend any young woman get the HPV vaccine to avoid the risk of abnormal paps and any resultant items.
Polio, diphtheria, chicken pox...yup.

so....there are risk of having a child.
Your child could be the one that dies in vitro.
Your child could be the one that miscarries
Your child could be the one that dies at birth.

We aren't guaranteed a life of health living to our 90's. nor are our children.

Together we try to make a society that has least risk
a) sidewalks
b) road rules
c) health care
d) vaccines
e) wearing helmets on bikes
f) and so on.
 
But how do we get this across to the anti-vaccine crowd, Pinga? Rational arguments aren't doing it, possibly because we're now without the clear social memory of the costs of the original diseases.

If we restrict the unvaccinated to private schools, you have to assume that eventually, the contagion and illness risks of going to a private school will become visible and the social memory will return?

Also, Pinga, did you get the shingles vaccine before age 60? Standard therapeutic recommendation in Canada looks like 60+?
 
I only am aware of a couple of anti-vaccination folks. They are family who belong to a Baptist congregation. They are the folks who the wife stays home, they do wonderful things for the community and for folks within their congregation. I think it has to be someone from within to influence them as that is how they were influenced in the first place.

They are also the folks who are paranoid about many items, but believe in law & order.
If the state dictated it, they probably still wouldn't.
 
Umm, Monk. The rest of us are just not bothering to respond to you. Don't presume a lack of disagreement in posts is support for your viewpoint.

#1. I find most of your posts above fearmongering regarding vaccines.
#2. I advocate for vaccinations
#3. I find that you have a way of writing that reminds me of a previous poster who had similar paranoia regarding anything to do with any corporate, government or health care item.


#1. I find that pro-vaccinators use much more manipulation-threats and fear tactics -trying to convince everyone that vaccines are not only safe but absolutely necessary.

#2. I advocate for NO Mandatory Vaccination.

#3. I would not call it paranoia to distrust corporate, government or health care institutions that have proven time and time again to put profit over life. I would call it common sense. It does not surprise me that there will be previous/present/future posters that will have that same point of view.

I admit to being alarmed - and of course I am not the only one - that we are just a few stops short of allowing government-enforced mandatory vaccination. It is my position that information about the risks and dangers of vaccines is being deliberately sabotaged and discredited by the mainstream media and government 'authority' censoring. I advocate speaking up and challenging authority - when there is good reason to do so. And now, more than ever with the technology right at our fingertips to research (google) vaccine pro's and con's points of view -the vocal minority against Mandatory Vaccination is growing - I am an advocate of that first and foremost.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead
 
Monk, I see you avoided my comment re how you post like a previous poster. Were you here previously under a different name?
 
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