Vaccination - The Point Of View Of The Child

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A book questioning vaccination from the point of view of a child.

Quoting from the book’s Amazon page:

“Sarah is really excited about the upcoming Girl Scout trip but there is a problem: she has no vaccination record and doesn’t want to be vaccinated. Can she still go or will she have to stay home? This book is dedicated to all children and parents who are concerned about vaccinations and refuse to give in to the constant vaccination propaganda. Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children make this decision after careful consideration, because they are convinced that vaccinations do more harm than good. The decision not to vaccinate is often not an easy one, because one so often faces criticism and seems to be swimming upstream. Dear parents, I hope this book will help you and your children to understand better the controversial issue of vaccination.”

Author - Andreas Bachmair has also created the website which contains a survey with over 16,000 participants so far -- one of the largest studies to document the health of un-vaccinated children currently underway. http://www.vaccineinjury.info/survey.html

Survey on the state of health of unvaccinated and vaccinated children

If you have unvaccinated children, please take part in our survey State of health of unvaccinated children


If you have vaccinated children please go to the questionnaire for the state of health of vaccinated children



Results of the survey on the state of health of 13753 unvaccinated children and persons



Results of the survey on the state of health of 2503 vaccinated children and persons
 

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Sarah may also not want to get enough sleep.

Or eat a balanced diet.

Or brush her teeth (much less get them cleaned).

Or wear a helmet while biking.

or....

Does that mean she should get to choose those things too
 

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Sarah may also not want to be in contact with a sexual predator ... Silly Sarah!
 

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Overall, not impress with the information, the one thing I will agree with is this.
The decision not to vaccinate is often not an easy one, because one so often faces criticism and seems to be swimming upstream.
It's something I personally have struggled with. The last vaccine I got I think I should have had the option to have choosen the TIg shot instead of the vaccine, but I only had the choice between no vaccine and vaccine. I really had the feeling that the medical officer of health thought I wasn't basing my decision on reasonable information. While the information that I had was extremely limited, some of that is due to the health system considering they won't even report a laryngeal angioedema attack as an adverse reaction. Where I am supposed to get data from for my specific situation to make informed decisions?

I do blame the antivaxxer movement for some of that reasoning though. They have made vaccines a polarized topic instead of something where one can give rational concerns about receiving them.
 

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Well, I have no agenda here. Thought the ongoing survey of vaccinated vs un-vaccinated was a good idea. I am not a scientist so would not attempt to argue for or against with regards to the science of vaccines - the politics and industry of vaccines is quite another matter. I do have concerns around the increasing number of vaccinations suggested as being 'mandatory'. I lean more towards a holistic approach to medicine. If I had it to do over again my children would not have been vaccinated as casually as they were. I think that in this age of dispute around vaccination it does no harm to educate the children as soon as possible around the pro's and cons - less of a herd perspective and more of a people (especially children) as individuals perspective.

I am not sure how you can correlate 'antivaxxers' with non receptiveness to your own voicing of rational concerns around vaccinations - seems to me that is the main reason that there are 'antivaxxers' - limited information and not enough reporting of adverse reaction? Before the 'antivaxxer movement' the information was not limited? All adverse reactions were reported ?
 
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Sarah may also not want to get enough sleep.

Or eat a balanced diet.

Or brush her teeth (much less get them cleaned).

Or wear a helmet while biking.

or....

Does that mean she should get to choose those things too
Most children don't decide not to do those things before they are 2 years old - how many vaccines do they get before they are 2 years old? When they can read they are ready to find out what they will do because they have been told they have to do it and what they will do because they understand why they do or do not want to do it.
 

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Well, I have no agenda here. Thought the ongoing survey of vaccinated vs un-vaccinated was a good idea. I am not a scientist so would not attempt to argue for or against with regards to the science of vaccines - the politics and industry of vaccines is quite another matter. I do have concerns around the increasing number of vaccinations suggested as being 'mandatory'. I lean more towards a holistic approach to medicine. If I had it to do over again my children would not have been vaccinated as casually as they were. I think that in this age of dispute around vaccination it does no harm to educate the children as soon as possible around the pro's and cons - less of a herd perspective and more of a people (especially children) as individuals perspective.

I am not sure how you can correlate 'antivaxxers' with non receptiveness to your own voicing of rational concerns around vaccinations - seems to me that is the main reason that there are 'antivaxxers' - limited information and not enough reporting of adverse reaction? Before the 'antivaxxer movement' the information was not limited? All adverse reactions were reported ?
I have specific concerns regarding previous reactions and an immune condition. I believe that the commonly given vaccines the benefit outweighs the harm for the average person. I understand how they work and I don't dispute the studies done on mainstream populations.
My issue comes in that there is no research for specific populations.
 

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Would the un-vaccinated be a specific population?
 

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I guess they're a demographic group. Largely the result of stupidity. The descendants of the Darwin Awards.
 

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I guess they're a demographic group. Largely the result of stupidity. The descendants of the Darwin Awards.
Well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I did not find it helpful. I looked for a second being that I am a bit open-minded. I found this opinion much more helpful:
 

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Do you know the history of small pox? Of polio? Of measles? Would you like to re-visit that s**t? Let's move forward, not backward. f*** me. This bugs me.
 

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Do you know the history of small pox? Of polio? Of measles? Would you like to re-visit that s**t? Let's move forward, not backward. f*** me. This bugs me.
Helps not to refer to the unvaccinated as the result of stupidity.
They are also the result of illnesses, of being too young, of not having access, etc.
 

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Choosing an anti-vax position in the face of all the science, all the lives saved and improved, is stupid. It's the people who can't vaccinate, because they're immune compromised, or too young, etc., who are jeopardized by this stupidity.

I know what polio looks like. I know what an adult case of chicken pox can do.
 

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Do you know the history of small pox? Of polio? Of measles? Would you like to re-visit that s**t? Let's move forward, not backward. f*** me. This bugs me.
Would this be your comment after watching the video?
 

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Choosing an anti-vax position in the face of all the science, all the lives saved and improved, is stupid. It's the people who can't vaccinate, because they're immune compromised, or too young, etc., who are jeopardized by this stupidity.

I know what polio looks like. I know what an adult case of chicken pox can do.
Yes, but lumping those groups together is setting things back.
 

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I can't help recalling that I WANTED to be vaccinated against polio as a kid. I had seen what polio did to school friends!
 

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Vaccination is the victim of its own success. People today don't remember or never knew a pre-vaccination world. So, it becomes fodder for conspiracy idiots, who have a ready audience.

Lose a sibling or a friend to a preventable illness, and see what happens to your perspective then.

There are all sorts of problems in the world today, and conspiracy idiots are distracting the public from real issues of perpetual war, poverty, corruption, and other real things that just aren't as exciting, but are real.
 

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Well as with all "conspiracy" theories , I think some truth can be found from both sides. It's too bad.

For instance I think there is enough data for the flu vaccines to determine the efficacy for giving the flu shot to the elderly.

The other issue is, would those who are making some of the vaccines ever be able to admit a major mistake in it's production without suffering a huge financial loss?

I don't think we should write off either side, unfortunately the "other side" is often lay people.
 
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