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Trucks -- discuss?

Discussion in 'The Earth and Our World' started by Pinga, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. Lastpointe

    Lastpointe Well-Known Member

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    It as good to see him plead guilty. It has been interest8ng to read about it though. It really seems like he had some good défense arguments

    For many miles the road he was on as the major road with no stop signs
    It was sunset and the stop sign was a shadow
    The interaction was obscured because of the house and stand of trees
    There were no rumble strips or other mechanisms for warning the driver


    What I didn’t read was how long he had been driving that day and was he tired.

    Certainly we all know what it is like to be a bit mesmerized while driving. Especially in very flat terrain with constant speeds



    I feel for the man. I feel for all the families. It is such a terrible tragedy. And could have happened to anyone easily
     
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  2. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    I had missed that detail. Major rural intersections in Ontario often have them now IME, though not consistently. That could be a difference between country and provincial highways, I suppose. With the criminal trial out of the way, I wonder if there will be coroner's inquest. It would be interesting to see what they might recommend.
     
  3. KayTheCurler

    KayTheCurler Well-Known Member

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    A few things to be aware of. -
    When driving on the prairies or in the northern boreal forest you are usually on a road that goes on and on and on with few signs.
    The intersection is typical for the area.
    The intersection has large warning signs posted several times as a vehicle approaches.
    The actual STOP sign is over four feet across and lighted.
    The trees on the private property don't block visibility from a vehicle at the STOP sign. They met the requirements of the Dept of Highways.
    Rumble strips weren't called for according to the Dept of Highways. There wasn't enough traffic to qualify .

    The preliminary report of the RCMP that CBC posted on the News site agree basically with my words.

    The stark truth is that the truck driver, for whatever reason, did not stop, did not attempt to stop. There is no indication that alcohol, drugs or a cell phone were involved. He has accepted responsibility by pleading guilty.

    The bus driver tried to stop but hit the truck anyway.

    It was, and remains, a great tragedy. A tragedy where everyone involved is a 'loser'. Some lost their life, some were injured, some had to face a family disaster, some had a friend on the bus, some live with PTSD because of the sights and sounds of that day. The truck driver is also a loser as he was sent out to drive that huge vehicle with very little training or experience. A failure of government! Some of us live knowing that we too have failed to stop at that red road sign at some time or other. It was a disaster because there was a bus on the highway. Had either vehicle been one minute ahead or behind their schedule there wouldn't have been an accident - just a fright.

    Hopefully more drivers will be more careful in future.
     
  4. Northwind

    Northwind Still knitting. Singing when I can.

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    They've talked about the intersection. Apparently one of the outcomes of this incident will be rumble strips plus an even bigger stop sign.

    I understand they've determined that the sun was not in the driver's eyes and that the sign was not obscured by trees.

    I read an excellent editorial this morning that pointed out that we've all made stupid actions or decisions while driving. We've been lucky that none have been devastating. This man's lapse or poor choice was catastrophic. It was a nice way to remind people that this driver is not an evil man.
     
  5. mgagnonlv

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    @KayTheCurler
    Although I have not seen that intersection in person, I know of a few roads and intersections where signs are very visible – in theory – yet are not easily visible because of other tricks in the scenery. And although it wasn't the case this time, many highway intersections with only stops in one direction, like in Humbolt, can't be safely crossed by a truck or bus starting from the stop sign. I remember one highway in Québec where traffic experts said that traffic on the main road had to be slower than 40 km/h to allow trucks to cross it safely. Guess what: they lowered the speed limit from 100 to 70 km/h!
     
  6. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    Ontario is trying roundabouts at a couple busy intersections on the section of highway 7 that runs east-west just North of London. I use it to get to Stratford and sometimes even K-W. It definitely slows things down and makes for a safer turn but someone in our Stratford office told me shortly after the roundabouts opened that they made the circle too tight for some trucks to navigate.
     
  7. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Done here in Fredericton too ... radical force height ...
     
  8. Mrs.Anteater

    Mrs.Anteater no anteater, but German wild boar

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    Ha, I thought only Nova Scotians were too stupid to make a roundabout the right size for trucks. But they keep trying. Our new exit on Hwy 101 has a total of three roundabouts before you get to the main highway. The problem is also that nobody knows how to handle a roundabout, so nobody signals when they leave it. Makes it dangerous.
     
  9. Mendalla

    Mendalla A Node in the Interdependent Web

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    Yeah, there is that. They are becoming more common in Ontario now so I hope this will improve with time.

    The part of Waterloo where Dad lived had about 4 or 5 in a row on one street. I suspect those folks are learning.
     
  10. KayTheCurler

    KayTheCurler Well-Known Member

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    Roundabouts can be challenging. People in the UK are accustomed to them. They have no problem with them until they cross over to France and need to go around the other way. Leads to some confusion!
     
  11. KayTheCurler

    KayTheCurler Well-Known Member

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    There wasn't anything wrong with that intersection unless the signs were ignored.
     
  12. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    In great faith ignorance and naivete does not exist ... until instances of it that happen in a flash ... instants? These may stand out in the memes ... emissions of illustration emerge ...
     

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