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The Holocaust - of today...

Discussion in 'Church Life' started by Graeme Decarie, May 13, 2018.

  1. Graeme Decarie

    Graeme Decarie Well-Known Member

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    In World War 2, naziis murdered something over 5,000,000 Jews in the event we call the holocaust. I was a child at the time. But my family was in church almost every day and twice on Sundays. I can't recall any mention of the holocaust in church during the war. Nor can I remember any in the years following the war. Though I can remember the anti-semitism that was common in Canada during the war, and for many years after.

    Today, there is another holocaust and, no, I am not exaggerating. The U.S. is killing what will almost certainly be millions of the people of Yemen - mostly civilians including children. (Indeed, the killing of civilians has been the major thrust of most U.S. wars since 1945.) The Yemeni are being killed by enforced starvation - and also by a a terrible plague for which the U.S. denies them medicine.

    We are watching a U.S. determined to rule the world, no matter what the cost in human suffering.

    I see Christianity as an eminently practical faith. It's not just a matter of believing or keeping one's slate clean to get into heaven.

    Why are Christians so silent about the extraordinary years of murder in the millions since 1945, and the plundering of the earth by our wealthy?

    We are living in perhaps the most brutal age this world has ever seen, and we are the greatest part of the brutality. But Christians don't seem to care.
     
  2. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Suppose it is a great satire played on a group of people that believe they know ... when they know little ... not a humble claim!

    They just somehow lost it due to excess spirit (emotional opinion)!

    It could come back at them like an environment that comes about ... goes against the prevailing winds ...

    Some de Ram awe ...
     
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  3. Inannawhimsey

    Inannawhimsey M&M, Cascadian Lovers

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    Yemen, 2014
     
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  5. Graeme Decarie

    Graeme Decarie Well-Known Member

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    In world war two, the German churches, for the most part, were silent (at best). I don't understand how they can be silent now. And I don't understand how we can look at American behaviour over the last 70 years - and not see that this is Naziism. It has killed millions - and is prepared to kill many, many millions more.
     
  6. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Silence is good for self preservation (salving/unguent ally?) unless the self is not as it appeared at first ... initially?

    What if the coin-joined (co-in joined) connect is larger than we can handle with imposition of power and wealth ... thus fulfilling light of Faustino and Mestophola ... as process of phobia to encourage sensation of fear of the unknown ... thus we would miss the critical part once known as anima ... thoroughly Mus 'd! This is from out there beyond physical comprehension ... a form of alien conjuring!

    When dealing with unknowns some abstraction may be necessary and critical as thought ... the devil may gather in the end as you wonder how know*ledge and intelligence drops below the horizon ... subtly to say least! Leaves noting but lines in the san' as a pas in Peru ... calling for water Mama ... large demiurge? When a flood of thoughts hits yah throught the cloud of choosen desires?

    Can one form a mental image of this without the input of psyche ... a denied essence? Some say counterproductive to the desires and thus conflicts in essence ... after proper choice ... one escapes the Taurus of minor detailing ... lesser bo-wellians ?

    You understanding Boolean #'s? Boo wells ... holes in hard stuff ... the Agape Conjecture as often avoided as pits of wisdom ... Pixels are the spots before your ayes taking on the form of illusion ... thus IT goes ...

    The mono graphical form of this as singular point cannot believe that a positive point must be countered by a counterpoint ... the function of Deus or two pointed existence where you are ... or are not ... and if not an individual must not be and thus indeterminate probability as below the horizon of existence. Nothing is thus rejected as negative desire and ... thoughts are out of here ... but one must realize that "nothing" is not perfect! Tis a foggy conjuration like Eire and some old words for the "unseen soul" if you are insensitive to thoughts it may escape you ... fey/fi/ephemeral processes can destroy solid thoughts as things taking off in the darkness! Abstract ... forms an blind portal ... when the wholly thing gets to yah ...

    May be out there as Aura or Ariel ... counterpoints of incubus and succubus ... just to support to desired chaos as a vanity ...
     
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  7. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Did you know that am'n was once an expression of nephesh? It is a fishy as desOle atian ... or nothing being banished to the arid spot to ponder the coming flood of questions of why (Y) that may cross you mind as Tao and CH into -ism! Resolved and redacted to Yem'n ... a dark prospect where sibling rivalry allows death of portions of the sol function ... lest Ye forget ... thus negative in pairs ... the counter to this is left unimaginable to those without an abstract! Tis complex ... in awe the omega function ... something gotten into as easy as Pi ... continuation ... of indeterminate nature so you can't know tom aero ... something faus ted on mortals ...
     
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    Although Denmark is a small country, it should serve as a shining beacon for any country to rescue others from oppression.
     
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  10. Jae

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    And it makes lovely cheeses.
     
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  11. Graeme Decarie

    Graeme Decarie Well-Known Member

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    And the churches of Canada in order to save Jews did???? Nothing whatever. (Okay. One or two people tried. But we knew what was happening. And we did nothing.)
     
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  12. BetteTheRed

    BetteTheRed Resident Heretic

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    You're absolutely right, graeme. Worse still, we never apologized, and we've rarely come to any sort of terms with the blatant anti-semitism inspired by the Gospel of John, specifically.

    It's partly why too many people are almost morally afraid to "call out" the state of Israel for their violence towards their Palestinian neighbours.
     
  13. Jae

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    Hmm... as I recall my history, a whole lot of those churches went to war.
     
  14. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    War is a ponderous thing to contemplate in church ... too big for the breech ... just do it and get it over with!

    This is the simple way t get the job done ...

    The Job, care for the siblings? Go way that's not expected pragmatically in utopia ... is it? Do we generally remain incognito about conflicts of soul ... insole?
     
  15. Graeme Decarie

    Graeme Decarie Well-Known Member

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    jae

    1. They did NOT go to war to save Jews. They did not intervene with government when it refused to help Jews.
    2. The German churches went to war, too. Churches always go to war when they're told to.
    3. Before you go about recalling history, learn some.
     
  16. Luce NDs

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    Chaos, chaos, more chaos ... and still we get deeper into it ... could it be because we know no bet tae ... or Agnes?
     
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    I think Christians do care...but sometimes we have a hard time focussing on just one need with limited resources, our own churches to support and a world that doesn't seem to ask for our input. Would the U.S. listen to a church? As for apologies about what has happened in the past...I think we need to feel sorry, and recognize what needs to change. The words of an apology aren't much if they don't effect change. And is this age more brutal than any other? Or do we just have the means to know a lot more about what is happening in the world, both the good and the bad.
    The churches I attend are full of good people who want to make a positive, kind, helpful difference in the world. And, for the most part, they do. But sometimes their projects are closer to home and more manageable: sponsoring a refugee family, supporting a church camp, raising money for a group that helps schools in Kenya, giving money and food to local food banks. And maybe we can start to focus on Yeman. I don't think churches are turning their backs; I think it is just too hard to meet all of the needs we see.
     
  18. Graeme Decarie

    Graeme Decarie Well-Known Member

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    Church-goers like the fiddle around safe issues. Like most people, they avoid challenging what our society is. Jesus challenged. His churches don't.
     
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    monk Holistic Anarchist

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  20. Waterfall

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    What is it you think should be done? Should we take the side of the Palestinians or Israel? support both sides? Take on the role of peacemaker only? What do you see as an effective role of support from the churches and for Canada?
     

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