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Revising the Mission Statement and Who We Are

Discussion in 'Council News & Business' started by Mendalla, Feb 4, 2018.

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  1. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    Council has been reviewing a proposal to revise the Mission Statement and Who We Are and are ready to open the discussion up to the general membership. After hearing feedback and possibly making changes based on that feedback, we would put them to a community vote.

    Background

    The current Mission Statement and Who We Are were drafted and approved as Wondercafe was winding down. As such, there is a strong focus on identifying Wondercafe2 as the successor to Wondercafe. Nearly four years have gone by since Wondercafe came to an end and Wondercafe2 has taken on a life and identity of it's own. It is not, and has never been, affiliated, funded, or governed by, the United Church of Canada as Wondercafe was so that the connection to that denomination has become less important over the years as well. There is still the UCCan Talk forum and a UCCan liaison but there has been minimal contact required with the liaison ( @AaronMcGallegos ) and the church in recent years, other than just confirming that Aaron is still the one to talk to.

    Proposal

    Council has revised the Mission and Who We Are statements to focus more closely on Wondercafe2 as a forum and community, with Wondercafe and the United Church role in it recognized as part of our history.

    The full text of the new Mission Statement and Who We Are follow below. We ask you to read them carefully and thoughtfully, then comment and discuss them. This thread will remain active for the next 2 weeks to allow for discussion to occur, then Council will decide if further revision is needed based on the comments. Please keep the discussion respectful and on topic. No other changes to the Wondercafe2 governance or documents will be considered in this thread. Those are topics for another thread at another time.

    Some questions to consider and discuss:

    What do you think of the new statements?
    Any revisions of your own to suggest?
    How do you see Wondercafe2 and do you see that reflected in these statements and the current ones?


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    Mission statement

    WonderCafe2 is a home for open-minded discussion and exploration of spiritual topics, moral issues and life's big questions. It is also a community where we laugh, cry, share and have some fun together.

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    Who We Are

    We are here

    … to create and find community

    … to discuss, to think, to challenge each other, to learn

    … to share, to play, to laugh

    … to support and find support

    Wondercafe2 has a simple mandate: To be a place where we can discuss the big topics like God, faith, the universe, and the meaning of it all, but also to be a community where we laugh, cry, share, and have some fun together.

    While many of us come from religious denominations, the site is about discussion and sharing, not seeking converts or spreading a particular message. Persons of all faith backgrounds are welcome here.

    We extend a welcome all persons who bring respect for others, an open, sharing heart, and a need for an online community that embodies those values.

    Wondercafe2 is our online community and we hope it can be yours, too.

    Our Roots

    WonderCafe2 is an independent community that formed out of the active participants of the United Church of Canada’s Wondercafe forum (www.wondercafe.ca).

    Wondercafe was a daring effort by The United Church of Canada to reach out to Canadians who may not have been attending church to give them a way to discuss faith issues in new and exciting ways. WonderCafe wasn't about selling the denomination. It was about creating a forum for Canadians to talk about spirituality and faith. Active participants came from a variety of backgrounds and faith communities beyond the United Church. There was even an international component as participants joined in from Australia and the United States.

    Wondercafe2 honours these roots by continuing to welcome participants of a diversity of religious and cultural backgrounds from across Canada and around the world.
     
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  2. Carolla

    Carolla wondering & wandering

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    Good work Council! Thanks for your efforts once again on our behalf.

    I would suggest minor edits to this statement -
    We welcome all persons ... an open sharing heart, ... (i.e. delete "extend a" before welcome; delete comma after "open" )
     
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  3. Neo

    Neo Wonder worker

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    We welcome all persons who bring respect for others, an open and sharing heart, and a need for an online community that embodies those values.
     
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  4. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    It honestly doesn't matter what you put in there. Christians will always find biblical reasons to be jerks, anti-science or issue threats by proxy, and that opens them up to mockery. While religion is the conversation, you can't avoid any of that coming up.

    What you can do, is draw arbitrary lines in the sand. You can say there will be no mockery and protect the Christian jerks, which is the UCCan social media approach. You can try to be more equitable and not allow discussions of divine retribution, but that avoids a significant part of Christianity, and fails to address a bIg problem with it.

    So while the flowery language sounds lovely, nothing will change.
     
  5. Seeler

    Seeler Well-Known Member

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    This is all new to me but from Chansen's comments I have a feeling that there has been a whole lot going on under the surface that I, and perhaps others, am unaware of.
     
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  6. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    One has to read a lot of old documents from the church and its past activities (doings) and being Christians living for the moment ... they wouldn't do that in the mind that is fixated on the right-now moment ...

    Tis something we must endue as a tryst at what we can learn ... over generalized time as considered by Orson Well's machinations ...

    Tis much like the weather; depending on how the 4 winds blow, explaining Trump and his peoples tight perspectives ... they can't get beyond themselves ... don't even know the extensive perspective of selves ... tis all over the place ... it runs ... perhaps due to fear and terrorism that ca make peoples go mad ... but I'm not sure! The determinates believe themselves more stoned than me ... I'm not allowed to decide anything for sure ... not even blow a whistle ... tis law!

    Conductors used to be in the hind end, caboose ... that now is changed and he too is up front ... but evidence indicates the change didn't assist the inattentive much ... a really sadistic perspective on my part about tying people to the front end ... even if it is only a train of thought ... off somewhere dark like heaven?

    If you look people right in the eye ... there's a lot of black some may have a spark there ... so look out in alien traditions ... you don't do that ... can bring the red out ... and it hangs there in the marble arch ... like so much BS ... they didn't really expect what you were thinking ... especially that going first thing ... just not social goodness ...

    However in some great hosts it is a struggle leading to fall into the pool ... folly, or another imagined fallacy? Some label this conforming, others to the converse .. and thus chaos ... without understanding diversity ... as it was formerly made formless ... a wild pool!

    Just look up at night ... tis a wild far-out stir ...
     
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  7. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    Yes, they do seem part of a larger conversation taking place.
     
  8. revsdd

    revsdd This place is hilarious sometimes. Enjoy.

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    May I point out that chansen is not on Council and has no knowledge of what if any conversations have been going on "under the surface." The point of the revision was simply to acknowledge that WC2 is an independent body, not formally affiliated with the United Church of Canada. Nothing more. The only larger conversations that have taken place on this issue have been how to revise the statement to make that clear.

    I see nothing in what he posted that suggests anything has been going on under the surface. Frankly, it's just chansen being chansen. I don't know why anyone would come to any other conclusion.
     
  9. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    But subtle things are denied by fascists ... thus under-gods that are understanding apostolically ... schisms with those that only have BS in what their parental figures formed in their minds?

    We must get beyond that ... into the paranormal ... or the small things that are normally believed to be all there is to a great obtuse dimension that out there ... dark to our occidental moods? Thus g, o, d is anachronism! Fitz right in with con texting where messages are pared down for confusion ...

    Face it those that believe they are in power are in alternate chaos ... aspiring to something that isn't .. ado over nothing ... but ups and downs in the limbic system ... credit due Bette as an instigator ... whoa man driven by the swing of pendulum?
     
  10. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    There are many surfaces for things to go on under ... and thus large sacred arias ... you can almost hear them howl and whine as the wind blows ... 4 direction thingy when quartering the subjects ... kings do that ... why the great mythical text told us we didn't want one of these virtuously as it could cause vicariousness ... those people in dark robes? Then there are the Dominican Orders ...
     
  11. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    Sigh.

    I started the conversation backstage after reading the Who We Are and questioning how focussed it was on promoting us as the successor to the United Church's Wondercafe when most new arrivals will likely never have heard of WC. IOW, it was simply trying attune things more to present reality and was a marketing decision as much as anything. I don't now why chansen and Jae are reading so much more into it but that's the truth of the matter.
     
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  12. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    Mendalla, I feel that's an odd thing to say. What I and @Seeler wondered about was the nature of @chansen's remarks. I note that you chose not to mention Seeler in your comment above, even though I responded to her post. I personally have no problem at all with the spirit of the changes which have proposed.
     
  13. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    The 3D earth has much more depth to it ... and thus additional D's to sum up that there is not climax ... to nonsense ... there are explicit god that love to see some D'd Kahn 'd and observe the break out's in all their splendor ... causes some bumps in the unseen quantum mass ... just for levity ... once you get to 6'D's ... in ceph-ante place a spark is ignited as perfect for warming hob bites ... explaining the nibbles ... and formation of deep water metaphors about other names for Wahls ... I forgot it slipped my limited mind into a deep recessive part ... you can't imagine what's buried there ... a perfect place to go to drift off ...
     
  14. revsdd

    revsdd This place is hilarious sometimes. Enjoy.

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    I agree with your "sigh" and frankly the suggestions of under the surface conversations that many aren't aware of are just bizarre.

    But in fairness to chansen I don't think he read anything into it. He just expressed his opinion that it would make no difference. It was actually seeler who read something into chansen's post and inexplicably to me suggested that something was going on "under the surface."
     
  15. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    A problem of short fusing and fuselage from those in power ... that thought will diffuse later ... in light of the activity of greater mind beyond us as paranormally denied in preference to emotions ... a missal from beyond as folly on my part as someone out of it ... the overt emotional sector? More anathema ... what's a matter is only temporal field theory ... metaphysics! Tis all in an isolated head man ... uncollected yet ...
     
  16. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    God fishing ... there could be something there ... perhaps not ... she might be pulling your lines ... the networking is huge and unseen ...
     
  17. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    Are we reading the same forum?

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    As for why I would write the above, I rarely find mission statements that are accurate representations of the communities that create them. Writing them seems to be an exercise in making the authors feel good about themselves. I rarely read them, and I really don't care what's in them. If I was forced to write one, it would be more honest and representative, instead of some holy ideal.
     
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  18. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    It is fresh out of the jar ... like a fruit to get thoughts started ... fat quantum? Qua'm'k what's ... weird preserved pumpkin?

    They settle too in this patch --- Charlei the browned-off prince in dark flowering null ...
     
  19. revsdd

    revsdd This place is hilarious sometimes. Enjoy.

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    I completely agree, which is why I have never encouraged any congregation I have served to engage in the time-wasting exercise of writing a "mission statement." Total waste of time. They're feel-good things that serve little purpose.

    The only reason I felt this one had a point was that I believed that it is, indeed, time to de-emphasize the WC2 relationship to the United Church.
     
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  20. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Of the fracturing of the world perspective for an isolated institution ...

    Perhaps the following assists although some say you cannot break a heart ... and the mental state is just further out than what we could imagine ...

    Just form an abstract (kind 've like displaced thoughts when bit by emotional excess):

    Is this possible in a world based on chaos and the go-round? Is there an alternate rite that counters the emptying of soul ... contents sold? Could cost an individual ... and allow fusion ...
     
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