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Is Ontario headed for another Wynne win?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mendalla, Sep 29, 2017.

  1. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    Oh God, are the PCs really trying to pull defeat from the jaws of victory again? Party infighting with members threatening to defect to splinter parties or even the NDP is not the face a party with a high chance of victory in less than a year should be showing the public. They are ahead now but can they retain that lead if crap like this continues?

    Is Ontario PC Leader Patrick Brown truly in 'a war' with his own party?

    Honestly, my vote is probably going to the NDP next year, maybe Green, but the sight of the party that should be a cakewalk to win after all the Liberals problems and bad policy decisions turning in on itself is kind of disheartening. Are the PCs finished as an effective option in Ontario? Do we need to give the NDP another chance at Queen's Park and let the Tories melt down in opposition?

    Maybe the leadership is right. Maybe this is just a few malcontents. But that's not what it sounds like.
     
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  2. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    Just to answer the question posed in the thread's title - it is not.
     
  3. revsdd

    revsdd This place is hilarious sometimes. Enjoy.

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    As someone who believes the Liberals need a "time out," I have an open mind toward the possibility of voting for the PCs next year. Mostly because our incumbent MPP in Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock is a PC, and I think she's doing a really good job. I'm also surprised in that I've actually been strangely impressed with Patrick Brown - perhaps because my expectations of him were so low to begin with, so it was relatively easy for him to exceed them. I'm also open to the Greens (who are often my refuge when I can't support any of the Big 3.) I have never been a big believer in Andrea Horwath and the NDP does not turn my crank.

    The departure of social conservatives to the Trillium Party doesn't surprise me, but it could hurt the PCs in some ridings. Brown's flip-flops on the sex-ed curriculum and the carbon tax have been flip flops in the right direction for me, but they do make me wonder whether he's sincere and would follow through as Premier. Disputes over riding nominations happen to all parties who look on the edge of victory because people want the nominations of a party that looks like it's going to win and the fights often get nasty. Generally speaking parties recover from those just because of the prospect of victory.

    But in answer to the thread title, I think it's entirely possible that Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals could win another election. I'm not saying it will happen and I'm not rejoicing over that prospect, but I believe it's possible.
     
  4. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    Brown mobilized the religious conservatives to get the nomination. Then he abandoned them in an attempt to appeal to the general electorate.

    If he becomes premier, will he revert to a nutcase Christian again? Nobody knows.

    I hope the NDP gets their act together. But if I had to vote right now, it would be for the Liberals, and I don't want to vote Liberal this time.
     
  5. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    I can't vote for the Liberals because of the whole sex-ed scandal. I'll choose between the Conservatives and the Green Party.
     
  6. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    You do realize that one of the things Brown did that upset the so-cons was to back off on sex ed and start saying he now supports it.
     
  7. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    Please cite your source. Thanks.
     
  8. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    Um, the article i posted in the OP.
     
  9. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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  10. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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  11. Mendalla

    Mendalla Aspirant False Prophet

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    They directly quote him in the second one. If they had misquoted him, he could and would have sued for libel. Your conservative golden boy has gone all centrist in hopes of winning power.
     
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  12. Redbaron

    Redbaron Who, me?

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    What would you consider a 'relatively unbiased' source of news?
     
  13. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    So imho if a person doesn't take legal action it means that the quote is accurate?

    Looks like I will be voting Green then. Oh, and he was never my "conservative golden boy." I have no idea where you dug that one up.
     
  14. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Jae's right .. tis all snot! A progressive fixation ...
     
  15. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    And it's off to doubling the Green, in the green ... cause we just don't know ... due to fixation with being stuck again ...
     
  16. revsdd

    revsdd This place is hilarious sometimes. Enjoy.

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    Oh! Oh! Let me take a shot at this!

    From The National Post: Patrick Brown says he 'was mistaken' on Ontario sex ed after emails reveal he promised to repeal it

    From The Toronto Sun: Patrick Brown Supporters Feel Double Crossed

    From Real Women Of Canada: ALERT ! Treacherous Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown

    From The Catholic Register: Protesters demand Patrick Brown’s resignation for flip-flop on Ontario’s sex-ed curriculum
     
  17. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    Here's the problem if you're a Conservative in Ontario: It's almost impossible to get the party leadership without being a social conservative, yet it's almost impossible to win the provincial election by being a social conservative.

    The Conservatives have to purge themselves of the religious right to regain relevance. Or maybe they can manipulate enough recent immigrants, pool them with the remaining social conservatives, and still win. Combine that with the Liberal scandals and NDP incompetence, and maybe that's enough. Then they might win because they are seen as the least bad, but the Liberals are rightly going to bring up abortion and the sex ed platform that Brown himself used as wedge issues to gain the nomination.
     
  18. Jae

    Jae Will Accept if Nominated

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    The last thing the Liberals should do is to bring up abortion and the sex-ed scandal. Doing so would be a sure way to guarantee themselves defeat.

    Oh, and you just think everyone and everything should "purge themselves" of that which is religious. :D
     
  19. chansen

    chansen Pleasant Enough

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    I think religion is baseless and stupid, it's true, but the reason I say that religious conservatives have trouble winning Queen's Park is because of declining religiosity in this province and the rest of Canada.
     
  20. Luce NDs

    Luce NDs Well-Known Member

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    Thus the maas I've Shawn of the stunned ... as cut off from decent senses ... a common displacement or dissemination ...
     

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