Resurrection: Does Your Minister/Church Preach What You Believe?

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@Neo, I didn't always (or even often :whistle:) agree with your ideas, but I always respected the passion and commitment with which you shared them with us. I regret that the whole "false prophet" nonsense even got started - but you have been defended by a wide cross-section of people (revjohn, Jae, blackbelt and Mendalla were all on the same side on this (!!!!!) - and I would have been, but everything I would have said had already been posted so why try to improve on it?)

If you feel the need to take some time away, then do so. (I sometimes feel I should do the same - I once did leave the old board for about six months and survived.) But I hope you'll be back with us after your break.

Be blessed.
 
@Neo, I didn't always (or even often :whistle:) agree with your ideas, but I always respected the passion and commitment with which you shared them with us. I regret that the whole "false prophet" nonsense even got started - but you have been defended by a wide cross-section of people (revjohn, Jae, blackbelt and Mendalla were all on the same side on this (!!!!!) - and I would have been, but everything I would have said had already been posted so why try to improve on it?)

If you feel the need to take some time away, then do so. (I sometimes feel I should do the same - I once did leave the old board for about six months and survived.) But I hope you'll be back with us after your break.

Be blessed.

I have been thinking, maybe I shouldn't have said anything about the "false prophet", and think that it would have just gone away, but then again, I felt it was really an injustice not to say anything , kinda of a catch 22 .
 
I have been thinking, maybe I shouldn't have said anything about the "false prophet", and think that it would have just gone away, but then again, I felt it was really an injustice not to say anything , kinda of a catch 22 .

You didn't start it, and I think it needed to be challenged. As far as I'm concerned - well done!
 
"kinda of a catch 22"

There are those determined that life is not like that when it is ... and thus duality contributing to chaos ... there's a whole genre about this ... labelled by some as obtuse ... even occidental as to be chewed upon ... tis hidden (hypo) in the myth ...

Stories do amuse Gods ... especially those that just Lei there as a flower in the pool ...

If an odd blossom ... should it be etude-dead? In Hebrew 'Death' means wisdom ... and where it goes on Passover ... nun knows ! A lo 'v' to Dei fore ... primal state?
 
Neo

Sorry to hear that you are leaving because of what I posted ------but I personally never said you WERE A false prophet that you accuse me of saying ---I posted the definition of what a prophet means -----I posted 3 different definitions -----this is my post -----

I personally think it all depends on what your interpretation of Prophet is --------The Hebrew Word -----Strong's Hebrew: 5030. נָבִיא (nabi) -- a spokesman, speaker -------the Greek word says a prophet, poet; a person gifted at expositing divine truth. -------the English dictionary says ------a spokesman for a movement, doctrine, etc

So it seems it all depends on how we see this word -----


This is what scripture says -------

2 Peter 2 (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction. 2 Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth. 3 In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!


So is Neo a spokesman for his Doctrine which goes against God's word ------you all decide for yourselves ------


unsafe says -----This is the rest of my post -----

Words matter here ----in m y opinion ---so I can see why airclean33 might think Neo is a false prophet ----

I definitely think he is proclaiming False Doctrine -----if he had of said ---in my view Salvation comes from -----or I personally believe that Salvation comes from -----it might have been taken different by airclean33 ----but he is says here he knows where Salvation comes from ----he knows no belief system is needed ---etc ---which is False according to God's word --


So Neo ---Show me in my post where I said you were a false prophet
 
I am supporting God's word which says what it says -----if anyone has a problem with God's word then they will have to take that up with God ---I am as compassionate for my belief as Neo is about his beliefs -----so what you are saying then is it is OK for Neo to post what he wants and no one is to challenge his words -----That is what I was doing in my post HERE BELOW------

I definitely think he is proclaiming False Doctrine-----which is False according to God's word --


No where did I support anyone but God word -----and this is what I said about airclean33 -----

-----if he had of said ---in my view Salvation comes from -----or I personally believe that Salvation comes from -----it might have been taken different by airclean33

unsafe says --------I am saying here his words might have suggested to airclean33 thinking that he is a false prophet
------He is proclaiming that he knows how the Bible was written in his choice of words if you read his post which I don't believe many of you did ------ which goes against what I and airclean believe as we believe God's word ----and God word plainly says this in Second Peter 2 below -----these are God's words not mine or airclean33 ----if anyone wants to be mad at the words of God that is their problem they will have to take it up with who airclean33and I believe wrote it which is the God we follow ------


2
Peter 2 (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines


unsafe says --------This is what Neo says -----

Neo's quote -----From Post 316 Pg 16

Salvation comes from how we believe, not what. I believe Jesus taught this when he said things like this: "for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also". No specific belief system needed, just a sincere and loving heart.

unsafe says ----
This statement above goes against what the scripture says so for airleans33 and myself this is false untrue doctrine -------that is the Truth ----

If people have a problem with that then again they have to take it up with God --Period ----

I personally believe what the Bible says and I will defend what I believe just like Neo or you or chansen or anyone else will defend their true belief -----

All that being said I am sorry Neo has taken his stance to leave ----we all have different views and this is a good thing not a negative thing it gives us insight into other beliefs and there are always nuggets that we can take from all the different views on this sight ------

So Neo if you feel the need to leave then that is your choice ---but I am sorry that you feel this need because of taking offense to posts that you have been hurt by -----your input here is as important as the rest of us ----

So rethink your decision Please ---
 
I am supporting God's word which says what it says -----if anyone has a problem with God's word then they will have to take that up with God ---I am as compassionate for my belief as Neo is about his beliefs -----so what you are saying then is it is OK for Neo to post what he wants and no one is to challenge his words -----That is what I was doing in my post HERE BELOW------

I definitely think he is proclaiming False Doctrine-----which is False according to God's word --


No where did I support anyone but God word -----and this is what I said about airclean33 -----

-----if he had of said ---in my view Salvation comes from -----or I personally believe that Salvation comes from -----it might have been taken different by airclean33

unsafe says --------I am saying here his words might have suggested to airclean33 thinking that he is a false prophet
------He is proclaiming that he knows how the Bible was written in his choice of words if you read his post which I don't believe many of you did ------ which goes against what I and airclean believe as we believe God's word ----and God word plainly says this in Second Peter 2 below -----these are God's words not mine or airclean33 ----if anyone wants to be mad at the words of God that is their problem they will have to take it up with who airclean33and I believe wrote it which is the God we follow ------


2
Peter 2 (GNT)
False Teachers
2 False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines


unsafe says --------This is what Neo says -----

Neo's quote -----From Post 316 Pg 16

Salvation comes from how we believe, not what. I believe Jesus taught this when he said things like this: "for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also". No specific belief system needed, just a sincere and loving heart.

unsafe says ----
This statement above goes against what the scripture says so for airleans33 and myself this is false untrue doctrine -------that is the Truth ----

If people have a problem with that then again they have to take it up with God --Period ----

I personally believe what the Bible says and I will defend what I believe just like Neo or you or chansen or anyone else will defend their true belief -----

All that being said I am sorry Neo has taken his stance to leave ----we all have different views and this is a good thing not a negative thing it gives us insight into other beliefs and there are always nuggets that we can take from all the different views on this sight ------

So Neo if you feel the need to leave then that is your choice ---but I am sorry that you feel this need because of taking offense to posts that you have been hurt by -----your input here is as important as the rest of us ----

So rethink your decision Please ---

So you firmly believe in the mind state of God as chaos ... love is like that ... irrational ...

Stop, listen ... take rest! TGIF ... but never overdo what was meant to be moderate and medium ... polity doesn't like medium ...
 
@Neo I am sorry to see you go. I enjoy your thoughts and you make me think. I hope you come back when you are ready.
 
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Hi,
why is it that, Jesus/God can die for us evil creatures , yet even us Christians who believe are right fighters
If I get your drift, why do we judge others even though we ourselves are freely forgiven? I notice that Jesus forgives his murderers from the cross. Surely I can forgive conversation partners any shortcoming they make manifest? Indeed, this forgiveness of others seems the condition of my own forgiveness. Forgiving others, I am forgiven. Not forgiving others, I am not forgiven. Seems a simple matter of sowing and reaping from my point of view.

All was very good until the knowledge of good and evil came into play by human decision. History tells the story again and again. The waging of war against the other in service to profit and power. The way of the world by which persons and places are exploited and oppressed. With the blessing of religious powers of all kind.

George
 
KA-POW!!!!! Take that, blackbelt.

In all honesty, airclean, you really are seeming a bit hostile on this thread. I mean, I know you're convinced that because you have the Holy Spirit you have to teach all the rest of us the right things to believe and the right way to be "a born again." You don't seem to realize how arrogant you sometimes sound, and how un-Christ-like that seems. That can be frustrating at times, but I get it and I think that in general your intentions are good. Generally speaking, I like you, because you don't play games. You say what you think. But you're seeming very hostile here toward pretty much everybody and as @revjohn has pointed out you're seeming less focused than usual, and - sincerely - I want to ask if there's anything wrong.
Airclean-post-...........
I am sorry Rev Steve --I guess its part of my old self coming out . You see I am Part Irish --German --and English. There's a stew for you. I Guess , I follow that do, unto others as you would have them do to you" So when attacked" I will react, .I thing we all have some kind of problems Steve , I do appetite you asking though ". GOD Be With you Rev. airclean33-Gord. Good by.
 
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I am sorry Rev Steve --I guess its part of my old self coming out . You see I am Part Irish --German --and English. There's a stew for you. I Guess , I follow that do, unto others as you would have them do to you" So when attacked" I will react, .I thing we all have some kind of problems Steve , I do appetite you asking though ". GOD Be With you Rev. airclean33-Gord. Good by.

But no one has attacked you Airclean, we all disagree with you yes, but non of us or I attacked you
 
Respectfully submit, unsafe, that you are not helping.

You are reacting defensively. I understand why and I empathize.

In so doing you make this about you when it clearly is about Neo.

unsafe said:
I am as compassionate for my belief as Neo is about his beliefs

I think you meant to use passionate as in excited or enthusiastic. Compassion means to suffer with and you aren't managing that here.
 
I don't believe we will see a resurrection until white throne judgement.
I believe we all could be born again, in this age of the end of days.
I don't know of my past life or if I actually had one before yet or not but chances are, I was the oposite sex if I did live before.
I believe we die "once" then judgement. Not live just once if we are of Yeshua, just die once.
Then we are born again and live in our immortal bodies.

So in essence, NO, there are no churches teaching what I believe.

Bolt
 
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