TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

“We are *not* taking a position of *any* final status issues including the specific *boundaries* of the Israeli sovereignty in *Jerusalem* or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved.” --Trump

"The U.S. President today didn’t ‘recognize’ Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Rather we finally stood up to those who insist that we pretend it isn’t."
--Eric Weinstein

followed by

"My problem is that we are not honest about the cost of these fictions. Further the cost of destroying these fictions may be immense. Do not discount the structural reality of a “load bearing fiction.”"
--Eric Weinstein

Inannawhimsey said:

“We are *not* taking a position of *any* final status issues including the specific *boundaries* of the Israeli sovereignty in *Jerusalem* or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved.” --Trump

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Except by recognizing a city that is claimed as capital by both sides as being the capital of one, he HAS effectively taken a position on a border issue. If Jerusalem is Israel's capital, it must be in Israel and with the US recognizing that, Israel now has no reason to negotiate on the status of Jerusalem. So, sorry, Mr. Trump, but you have taken a clear position on a disputed border whatever you may think.

And if that's a quote from the only Eric Weinstein who came up on Google, I would suggest that the opinion of an economist and mathematician on a political and diplomatic issue is worth no more than my opinion on the same issue. It's out of his department.

There is a strong possibility that this is the loss of any hope for peace - not just in the middle east, but around the world. As Mendalla says, it really doesn't matter what Weinstein thinks. And it really doesn't matter what the legalities are. The reality is likely to be world suffering for this decision.

Great day for fundamentalists, though. They all get to go to heaven while the rest of us roast.

Right ... time to get my own house in order.

Stay outside a lot.

Graeme Decarie said:

There is a strong possibility that this is the loss of any hope for peace - not just in the middle east, but around the world. As Mendalla says, it really doesn't matter what Weinstein thinks. And it really doesn't matter what the legalities are. The reality is likely to be world suffering for this decision.

Great day for fundamentalists, though. They all get to go to heaven while the rest of us roast.

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Yes, this is from Fox. It's one person, an evangelical's commentary - a bit more hopeful. It's important to know this perspective exists, too, and there are people in the region who will be working extra hard in this direction, in light of Trump's announcement.

After Trump recognizes Jerusalem as Israel's capital, evangelicals work for peace between Jews and Arabs

This looks like a very unprofessional study made by some very naive people. And, in much of a lifetime in Montreal where most of my friends were Jews, I saw and heard of no contacts between Jews and sympathetic evangelicals. (or between evangelicals and Muslims.)

No. The fat is in the fire for what is possibly an essentially economic strategy. U.S. corporations simply cannot allow any drift to democracy in the Muslim middle east - any more than they can allow democracy in Latin America. Any such development would be a blow to their profits. That's why it wants Iran destroyed. And it wants to block any Russian (or Chinese) intrusion into its wealth in the middle east. (That's why Trump is playing the dangerous game of keeping American troops in Syria.)
The prime interest of evangelicals is not to cooperate with them and to share, but to convert them. It solidifies their own 'holiness'.

No. It's very likely the Middle East will explode - soon, and perhaps with an impact far beyond the middle east.

The only way now to control Trump is to kill him. But that would make less difference than we might think. The very big money players understand nothing but money. Expect nothing any good so long as they dominate governments in the U.S. (and Canada).

Of course it's a terrible article, and how dare I or anyone else have any hope that there are people working on making peace.

Peace is sinful ... too much like someone else getting a piece ... just not good for those dedicated to industries based on counterintuitive silence ... death production? A parallel to war industries?

Here is a 'bothersome' look at the actual humans being in and around this latest 'revelation' concerning Jerusalem.

And another point of view ... There has NEVER been a "peace process" only a push for the Palestinian capitulation.

monk said:

And another point of view ... There has NEVER been a "peace process" only a push for the Palestinian capitulation.

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saw a funny satirical cartoon of two of the same picture of people burning US flags and captioned a Before Trump's announcement and After Trump's announcement

Of course when these 2 announced Jerusalem being the Capital, remember the global riots and world leaders condemning it and various media outlets condemning the move?

Trump Derangement Syndrome (confirmation bias et al working together) and Manufactured Consent/Fake News is alive and well


I like visiting these 2 different movies
But I wouldn't want 2 live there

This is a good article about the perils of thinking in crisis mode...


Roy Moore, Donald Trump, and the Flight 93 Presidency

Kimmio said:

This is a good article about the perils of thinking in crisis mode...


Roy Moore, Donald Trump, and the Flight 93 Presidency

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Please tell me the world isn't in S'N ... the old Hebrew word for 'hate' .... but that's another word we don't know the source of ...

If one lives in an insane world ... should we conform? It appears to trend and tilde ... that comes in waves ... but we are bot supposed vocalize that ... thus the golden darkness of scripted metaphors ... Dark Gold can sometimes be tacky and bit*'umous ... derived from bitumen preceded by Pete ... tis all dark and below ground of understanding as we do presently ... w/o questions for authority!

* a metaphor is Shame-in ... inbuilt guilt about naïveté ... still in the night we do little about it ... thus the darkness of the heart ... sol are Plexus?

So lace ism ... a fragile psyche ... in a brute emotional spatial situation ... over extended .. as in inflation with ego Numis ... echonomics? Tis num'inous ...

Thin strands ... are words sexy as diphthongs ... binaries tars? Something to examine closely as plural etudes?

Jersusalem and it's status, whether the sole capital of Israel or somehow shared in a two state solution, that needs to be negotiated. Every one of Trump's predecessors was walking a tightrope between supporting Israel and not inflaming Palestinians and their allies, some of which are also American allies. It's a powderkeg, and Trump seems intent on kicking it. The defense for this approach appears to be that being cautious hasn't worked, so let's try belligerence.

What has become obvious is that Trump is not the negotiator he has portrayed himself to be. He has solved nothing, and has passed nothing of importance. What his supporters think is him playing 4D chess while the rest of the world is stuck in 2D mode, looks too much like chaos and lack of planning or vision to be thought of as anything else.

Yes, the intention has been that Jerusalem would be the capital of Israel and the location for the American embassy. But not by decree. This is the most highly disputed piece of real estate on the planet, having been fought over for thousands of years by warring religious factions. By clearly taking one side, America relinquishes its leadership role in brokering a solution, and needlessly creates more enemies for itself. Remember, when Israel was created in 1947, the U.S. wouldn't even *sell* arms to them.

Yes, the intent was always to move the embassy, but not unilaterally. That's the difference here, and it's a key difference. This is announcing you're taking something off the negotiating table without giving anything back. This is not negotiation, and it will play badly in the Arab world and will get people needlessly killed, when it will likely just end up back as part of negotiations anyway, just as a starting point to restart negotiations.

This is only a gift to right-wing Jews, who don't even make up the majority of Jews in Israel, and to fundamentalist Christian American nutcases who are happy about the prospect of ushering in Armageddon. This is a play to rally his base, who are not at risk, at the expense of people on the other side of the world his base don't really care about and couldn't find on a map, who are.