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Mendalla ---your quote -----unsafe said: ↑
both times referring to God regenerating a believer

unsafe says ----
Watch it Mendalla -----I'm coming after you -----

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blackbelt1961 said:
the Doctor , sounds like a mob name, they all have names, the doctor

is he a made guy :cautious:
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If you consider the Time Lords to be a mob family, I suppose.:cool: God help us if they were though. Organized crime that can travel anywhere in time and space would be difficult to deal with.:eek:
 
Mendalla said:
If you consider the Time Lords to be a mob family, I suppose.:cool: God help us if they were though. Organized crime that can travel anywhere in time and space would be difficult to deal with.:eek:
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Renaissance Man or that Leon Folk ... recycled?
 
Jae said:
"Jesus answered, and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again, he may not see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith to him, How may a man be born, when he is old? whether he may enter again into his mother's womb, and be born again? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again of water, and of the Holy Ghost, he may not enter into the kingdom of God." - John 3:3-5 (WYC).

What does it mean to be "born again?"

What are the indications that someone is "born again?"

If you believe that you are "born again" - how did you become so?

Might "born from above" be a better term to use than "born again?"
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My thoughts... to be "born again" is to have one's old, shameful self killed off; and to be given a new identity in Christ. I think "born from above" is actually a better term sunce the term "born sgain" now carries an unfortunate negative sense. I believe that I have been born from above. As to how this happened - John 3:5 is important to consider. Where do water and the Spirit of God come together to regenerate. These are words which speak to me of baptism. Hence, I was born from above when I was baptized in my infancy. As to the indications that someone is born from above, look for the fruit of the Spirit in that other.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is charity, joy, peace, patience, long abiding, benignity, goodness, mildness, faith, 23 temperance, continence, chastity; against such things is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23 (WYC).
 
unsafe says -------For anyone interested to read ------Baby Baptism is not Biblical and will not save you ----anyone who says baby Baptism will save you that is spreading False Doctrine and wrongly dividing God's word ---

Unsafe Posting this article from Got Questions ----let it be known that I agree with what this article says about infant baptism


Question: "What does the Bible say about infant baptism / paedobaptism?"
What does the Bible say about infant baptism / paedobaptism?

Answer: There is much confusion about baptism in the various Christian denominations. However, this is not a result of the Bible presenting a confusing message on baptism.
The Bible is abundantly clear of what baptism is, who it is for, and what it accomplishes.

In the Bible, only believers who had placed their faith in Christ were baptized - as a public testimony of their faith and identification with Him (Acts 2:38; Romans 6:3-4).

Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience after faith in Christ. It is a proclamation of faith in Christ, a statement of submission to Him, and an identification with His death, burial, and resurrection.

With this in view, infant baptism is not a Biblical practice. An infant cannot place his or her faith in Christ. An infant cannot make a conscious decision to obey Christ. An infant cannot understand what water baptism symbolizes.

The Bible does not record any infants being baptized. Infant baptism is the origin of the sprinkling and pouring methods of baptism - as it is unwise and unsafe to immerse an infant under water. Even the method of infant baptism fails to agree with the Bible. How does pouring or sprinkling illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Many Christians who practice infant baptism do so because they understand infant baptism as the new covenant equivalent of circumcision. In this view, just as circumcision joined a Hebrew to the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants, so baptism joined a person to the New Covenant of salvation through Jesus Christ. This view is unbiblical.

The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as a sign of the New Covenant. It is faith in Jesus Christ that enables a person to enjoy the blessings of the New Covenant (1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 9:15).

Baptism does not save a person.
It does not matter if you were baptized by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling - if you have not first trusted in Christ for salvation, baptism (no matter the method) is meaningless and useless. Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience to be done after salvation as a public profession of faith in Christ and identification with Him.

Infant baptism does not fit the Biblical definition of baptism or the Biblical method of baptism. If Christian parents wish to dedicate their child to Christ, then a baby dedication service is entirely appropriate.
However, even if infants are dedicated to the Lord, when they grow up they will still have to make a personal decision to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved.




unsafe says ---we have free will to choose to believe in Christ or not -----Infants can't choose cause they have no voice in their infancy --they have no idea what faith even is -----
 
Jae said:
My thoughts... to be "born again" is to have one's old, shameful self killed off; and to be given a new identity in Christ. I think "born from above" is actually a better term sunce the term "born sgain" now carries an unfortunate negative sense. I believe that I have been born from above. As to how this happened - John 3:5 is important to consider. Where do water and the Spirit of God come together to regenerate. These are words which speak to me of baptism. Hence, I was born from above when I was baptized in my infancy. As to the indications that someone is born from above, look for the fruit of the Spirit in that other.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is charity, joy, peace, patience, long abiding, benignity, goodness, mildness, faith, 23 temperance, continence, chastity; against such things is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23 (WYC).
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Thus the demos within Deis laughing w/o causing wrinkles in space ... behaps holes of time? Touchee ... or Contact!

The isolated and island people may refuse to extend themselves ... the expansion is thus lost in space ... as abstract!
 
Jae said:
"Jesus answered, and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again, he may not see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith to him, How may a man be born, when he is old? whether he may enter again into his mother's womb, and be born again? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to thee, but a man be born again of water, and of the Holy Ghost, he may not enter into the kingdom of God." - John 3:3-5 (WYC).

What does it mean to be "born again?"

What are the indications that someone is "born again?"

If you believe that you are "born again" - how did you become so?

Might "born from above" be a better term to use than "born again?"
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No, I do not identify as a "born again" Christian. It is not a concept which featured in my religious upbringing.

I heard a sermon a few years ago which suggested being "born again" was not necessarily a one time event. I am trying to remember who preached this sermon & I think it might have been at a family member's church. The minister gave me the idea that being "born again" could describe a process over time. Granted this is a very liberal interpretation of the text from John.
 
Could a spark of deLight of J'Zues ignite an emotion that could cause burnout and following darkness as we rest in an alternate dimension from normal cognizance?

This could reignite Aga Tha ... as a hard spot growing into baffling separations of the absolute ... that other darkness from the abstract side ...

Could it be because of what we don;t know due to cutting education in favour of larger militancy? The essence is in turmoil!

Distraught nebuli? Cloudy fore shue ... yet people deny trauma and entrancement ... ecstacy or not? Avarice will accomplish the same thing ...

I should apologise for my fascination with psyche and such essences when the purely emotional have no use for it ... there is a lo' regard for even medium mindfulness!

Thus that hairy line in the w/o ... sans ... wired linguistics? Some use strange words with great faith they needn't understand ... it'll all come round ...

Great chaotic whirred motives ... cranks as Moe?
 
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The hardest spot is nothing ... it cannot be comprehended ... but is open to extensive speculation and a lot of specks and grits ... leading to an arid spot when we realize ... we just don't know ... because of all that was eliminated ... in a lot of pious Piscine ... at least f (is Sei) ... some give in and say Isis and remain cool ... be the death as required by the symbiosis mode ... biosynthesis being recycle ...

This goes round totally unseen except for a rare few observers ... once known as gnostics that evolved into science ...

Some are agnostics because of improper teaching by beadles ... beadles lean towards fication and orthodox methods ... little alteration ...

This may even be cained into your depths as a youngster ... OBI's are denied too .. so don't get beyond yourself ... to a point!
 
unsafe said:
unsafe says -------For anyone interested to read ------Baby Baptism is not Biblical and will not save you ----anyone who says baby Baptism will save you that is spreading False Doctrine and wrongly dividing God's word ---

Unsafe Posting this article from Got Questions ----let it be known that I agree with what this article says about infant baptism


Question: "What does the Bible say about infant baptism / paedobaptism?"
What does the Bible say about infant baptism / paedobaptism?

Answer: There is much confusion about baptism in the various Christian denominations. However, this is not a result of the Bible presenting a confusing message on baptism.
The Bible is abundantly clear of what baptism is, who it is for, and what it accomplishes.

In the Bible, only believers who had placed their faith in Christ were baptized - as a public testimony of their faith and identification with Him (Acts 2:38; Romans 6:3-4).

Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience after faith in Christ. It is a proclamation of faith in Christ, a statement of submission to Him, and an identification with His death, burial, and resurrection.

With this in view, infant baptism is not a Biblical practice. An infant cannot place his or her faith in Christ. An infant cannot make a conscious decision to obey Christ. An infant cannot understand what water baptism symbolizes.

The Bible does not record any infants being baptized. Infant baptism is the origin of the sprinkling and pouring methods of baptism - as it is unwise and unsafe to immerse an infant under water. Even the method of infant baptism fails to agree with the Bible. How does pouring or sprinkling illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Many Christians who practice infant baptism do so because they understand infant baptism as the new covenant equivalent of circumcision. In this view, just as circumcision joined a Hebrew to the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants, so baptism joined a person to the New Covenant of salvation through Jesus Christ. This view is unbiblical.

The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as the New Covenant replacement for Old Covenant circumcision. The New Testament nowhere describes baptism as a sign of the New Covenant. It is faith in Jesus Christ that enables a person to enjoy the blessings of the New Covenant (1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 9:15).

Baptism does not save a person.
It does not matter if you were baptized by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling - if you have not first trusted in Christ for salvation, baptism (no matter the method) is meaningless and useless. Water baptism by immersion is a step of obedience to be done after salvation as a public profession of faith in Christ and identification with Him.

Infant baptism does not fit the Biblical definition of baptism or the Biblical method of baptism. If Christian parents wish to dedicate their child to Christ, then a baby dedication service is entirely appropriate.
However, even if infants are dedicated to the Lord, when they grow up they will still have to make a personal decision to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved.




unsafe says ---we have free will to choose to believe in Christ or not -----Infants can't choose cause they have no voice in their infancy --they have no idea what faith even is -----
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Hmm... "Whether, brethren, ye know not, that whichever we be baptized in Christ Jesus, we be baptized in his death? For we be together buried with him by baptism into death; that as Christ arose from death by the glory of the Father, so walk we in a newness of life." - Romans 6:3-4 (WYC).
 
Jae said:
Hmm... "Whether, brethren, ye know not, that whichever we be baptized in Christ Jesus, we be baptized in his death? For we be together buried with him by baptism into death; that as Christ arose from death by the glory of the Father, so walk we in a newness of life." - Romans 6:3-4 (WYC).
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You can say one thing ... it is literal ... like literature with an obscure side ... and few know the ancient use of the prefix ... "OB" ... denial of the OBI! Thus they can't see themselves in a differning light of observational science ... prescience?

Meta measure of divine satyrs ... unseen as they are Black as Gabriel ... who in reality told Mary (the wee lamb) was loaded with conception from the Roman militants ... who raped and plundered romanticly without sense ... this continues ... as my late dad said "much going's on ... " No end tow it ... time is druid out ...
 
Space, time and light must be understood as all contained !

Sometimes bits (chit) of this anon sense enter the scattered head man ... causing aesthetics and adepts ...

Powers have words for such folks like Dan, Jeremiah and Christ as Hermetic ... buried ... whirred? Thus dervishes ... some refer to this as Eris ... another poorly understood essence ... like Hidalgo ... root of algorithm to avoid mortal functions!
 
Jae said:
My thoughts... to be "born again" is to have one's old, shameful self killed off; and to be given a new identity in Christ.
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You keep trying to kill off your old, shameful self. It's not taking the hint.
 
paradox3 said:
No, I do not identify as a "born again" Christian. It is not a concept which featured in my religious upbringing.
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This is a really important point. We typically identify with the faith tradition of our upbringing. Not always. Some of us change denominations, some change faiths, some find faith and some leave faith altogether. In the case of "born agains", they are actively bred and actively recruited with more vigor than most. And they are actively retained with threats, making them a genuine cult.

We need to treat them like a cult, but Christians won't do that, because they are too much like other Christians. Which should tell us something.
 
chansen said:
We need to treat them like a cult, but Christians won't do that, because they are too much like other Christians.
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Well, and more than a few mainstream Christians also believe in born again experiences, even if they don't believe they are a necessity.
 
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